[p2p-research] P2P Medicine -- Making Your Smart Phone into an Ultrasound Device

Thu Apr 23 04:28:23 CEST 2009

Just last week there as a story of a pilot fired for having sex in the
cockpit.  In this case it was a man as pilot. I believe the woman was a porn
star.  I doubt you'd have that worry with the autopilot (which was no doubt
flying while the pilot was engaged).

Ryan

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:17 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think if one is focused on being horny then one will make sure they land
> the plane so they can get on with it. That would be my priority.
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Maybe the question we are all asking is, in the age of networks, high
>> speed chips, self-improving algorithms and p2p, what is decision science and
>> what is the capacity to make responsible decisions?
>>
>> Truth is, I am very close to feeling more comfortable with a machine
>> flying me than a human who can have a few drinks, be mad at her husband,
>> focused on being horny, having a panic attack, etc.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:09 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michel,
>>>
>>> AI and robotics will continue to reduce the level of specialization
>>> required by people.
>>>
>>> The surgical robots used today are already programmed with certain
>>> surgical maneuvers (e.g. they know how to hold a knife and make certain cuts
>>> and the doctor has to only give the green light)
>>>
>>> So it's easy to see someone with just a college degree (instead of 11
>>> years of medical schooling) operate these smart systems. I'm not saying that
>>> we will have zero human intervention in the near future but I'm saying that
>>> it democratizes the whole field of medicine by lowering the specialization
>>> level required to conduct medical tests and procedures. That's already
>>> happening and has been happening for decades.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:23 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think you're on the spot there as far as the long term evolution of
>>>>> the health market.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doctors can be replaced with expert systems. Surgeons can be replaced
>>>>> with robots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I personally think that's a fallacy and that expert systems will help
>>>> doctors (and patients), and robots will help surgeons ... I've seen little
>>>> evidence of such total replacement in very complex systems requiring
>>>> judgment calls
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Medical and pharmaceutical researchers, bioinformatics researchers, et
>>>>> al will still be needed. I know that some will say they too can be replaced
>>>>> with discovery software couped to bots that can do experiments but that's a
>>>>> little far fetched now since we haven't really cracked what 'creativity' is
>>>>> and how major breakthroughs come to us. If we had, we wouldn't be
>>>>> collaborating here.. we'd let our AI agents do all the
>>>>> creative/philosophical thinking/problem solving.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you dis-intermediate a x-ray tech and still use a doctor, you are
>>>>>> moving toward p2p.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I can imagine iPhones with the capacity to analyze self
>>>>>> imaging...  Spot your own breaks, cancers, tooth decay by using tech.  Why
>>>>>> not?  Set your own bone?  Maybe you stop by a robot room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who needs a nutritionist?  A personal trainer?  Only people who don't
>>>>>> have machines that allow them to share consistent processes and best
>>>>>> practices.  Even sports...we don't need coaches as much as we need analyses
>>>>>> of bio-physics compared to large networks of performance measures given
>>>>>> similar styles, flaws, etc.  Is my elbow too bent?  My hand too high?
>>>>>> Compare me to everyone who is also 6'2" who has a better swing than me...we
>>>>>> all share data and performance metrics...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, P2P has to start us rapidly on the path to bots as peers.
>>>>>> That's true in physical/medical realms, soon, I'd guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that supplements are a big market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about self-use medical devices? I thought that's what you're
>>>>>>> referring to re: Smartphone ultrasound scanner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as defibrillators go, I know that they're not in wide use.
>>>>>>> They cost around $1000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, blood sugar and pregnancy testing devices are used
>>>>>>> widely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess it depends on the kind of device and its price.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Med sites amongst the largest on the web, Marc.  People playing
>>>>>>>> doctor all day every day.  Supplements will one day surpass big pharma I
>>>>>>>> predict.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People are not yet into playing doctor ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For example, defibrillators save lives but less than 1% of seniors
>>>>>>>>> have them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DIY or DIE" would be a good message in case of the defibrillators.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Lanham <
>>>>>>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Engineers at Washington University in St. Louis, MO have turned a
>>>>>>>>>> smart phone into an ultrasound platform.  It is now possible to have
>>>>>>>>>> relatively sophisticated medical imaging virtually anywhere in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/13928.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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