[p2p-research] P2P Medicine -- Making Your Smart Phone into an Ultrasound Device

Thu Apr 23 04:15:34 CEST 2009

Maybe the question we are all asking is, in the age of networks, high speed
chips, self-improving algorithms and p2p, what is decision science and what
is the capacity to make responsible decisions?

Truth is, I am very close to feeling more comfortable with a machine flying
me than a human who can have a few drinks, be mad at her husband, focused on
being horny, having a panic attack, etc.

Ryan

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:09 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Michel,
>
> AI and robotics will continue to reduce the level of specialization
> required by people.
>
> The surgical robots used today are already programmed with certain surgical
> maneuvers (e.g. they know how to hold a knife and make certain cuts and the
> doctor has to only give the green light)
>
> So it's easy to see someone with just a college degree (instead of 11 years
> of medical schooling) operate these smart systems. I'm not saying that we
> will have zero human intervention in the near future but I'm saying that it
> democratizes the whole field of medicine by lowering the specialization
> level required to conduct medical tests and procedures. That's already
> happening and has been happening for decades.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:23 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're on the spot there as far as the long term evolution of the
>>> health market.
>>>
>>> Doctors can be replaced with expert systems. Surgeons can be replaced
>>> with robots.
>>
>>
>>
>> I personally think that's a fallacy and that expert systems will help
>> doctors (and patients), and robots will help surgeons ... I've seen little
>> evidence of such total replacement in very complex systems requiring
>> judgment calls
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Medical and pharmaceutical researchers, bioinformatics researchers, et al
>>> will still be needed. I know that some will say they too can be replaced
>>> with discovery software couped to bots that can do experiments but that's a
>>> little far fetched now since we haven't really cracked what 'creativity' is
>>> and how major breakthroughs come to us. If we had, we wouldn't be
>>> collaborating here.. we'd let our AI agents do all the
>>> creative/philosophical thinking/problem solving.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you dis-intermediate a x-ray tech and still use a doctor, you are
>>>> moving toward p2p.
>>>>
>>>> And I can imagine iPhones with the capacity to analyze self imaging...
>>>> Spot your own breaks, cancers, tooth decay by using tech.  Why not?  Set
>>>> your own bone?  Maybe you stop by a robot room.
>>>>
>>>> Who needs a nutritionist?  A personal trainer?  Only people who don't
>>>> have machines that allow them to share consistent processes and best
>>>> practices.  Even sports...we don't need coaches as much as we need analyses
>>>> of bio-physics compared to large networks of performance measures given
>>>> similar styles, flaws, etc.  Is my elbow too bent?  My hand too high?
>>>> Compare me to everyone who is also 6'2" who has a better swing than me...we
>>>> all share data and performance metrics...
>>>>
>>>> Also, P2P has to start us rapidly on the path to bots as peers.  That's
>>>> true in physical/medical realms, soon, I'd guess.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know that supplements are a big market.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about self-use medical devices? I thought that's what you're
>>>>> referring to re: Smartphone ultrasound scanner.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as defibrillators go, I know that they're not in wide use. They
>>>>> cost around $1000.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, blood sugar and pregnancy testing devices are used
>>>>> widely.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess it depends on the kind of device and its price.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Med sites amongst the largest on the web, Marc.  People playing doctor
>>>>>> all day every day.  Supplements will one day surpass big pharma I predict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People are not yet into playing doctor ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, defibrillators save lives but less than 1% of seniors
>>>>>>> have them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DIY or DIE" would be a good message in case of the defibrillators.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Engineers at Washington University in St. Louis, MO have turned a
>>>>>>>> smart phone into an ultrasound platform.  It is now possible to have
>>>>>>>> relatively sophisticated medical imaging virtually anywhere in the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/13928.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>>
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