[p2p-research] P2P Medicine -- Making Your Smart Phone into an Ultrasound Device

Thu Apr 23 04:07:15 CEST 2009

do the eye robots work on their own, or rather serve as servant to the
doctors always present?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's inevitable.  Skills are rare and demand is increasing.  That's the
> perfect set up for robotics.  Bots can easily do eye surgery now, or fly a
> plane.  Lots of tools are in place for remote surgery.  No need for docs in
> the room now for most radiological practices.
>
> The new Volvos for 2010 stop themselves automatically if you are about to
> collide with something.  It's a matter of time to get people use to allow
> machine control.
>
> What humans do well is deal with other humans.  Machines have always taken
> away our skills, and will continue to do so.  I feel for the mathematicians
> who think it is elegant or beautiful for them to design proofs.  That's as
> delusional as the guys who thought they could carve wood or stone better
> than a machine.
>
> Bots will be peers in most p2p scenarios prior to 2020.  I'd bet on it.
> That will include dentistry work, phlebotomy, administering chemotherapy,
> etc.  Wolfram's new project will have bots answering complex questions...can
> medical work be far behind?  70% of the earth doesn't have access to an
> x-ray.  The issue isn't machines or capital, it's skills.
>
> Do we really need people driving all over, flying all over, to do
> transactions?
>
> Ryan Lanham
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:23 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're on the spot there as far as the long term evolution of the
>>> health market.
>>>
>>> Doctors can be replaced with expert systems. Surgeons can be replaced
>>> with robots.
>>
>>
>>
>> I personally think that's a fallacy and that expert systems will help
>> doctors (and patients), and robots will help surgeons ... I've seen little
>> evidence of such total replacement in very complex systems requiring
>> judgment calls
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Medical and pharmaceutical researchers, bioinformatics researchers, et al
>>> will still be needed. I know that some will say they too can be replaced
>>> with discovery software couped to bots that can do experiments but that's a
>>> little far fetched now since we haven't really cracked what 'creativity' is
>>> and how major breakthroughs come to us. If we had, we wouldn't be
>>> collaborating here.. we'd let our AI agents do all the
>>> creative/philosophical thinking/problem solving.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you dis-intermediate a x-ray tech and still use a doctor, you are
>>>> moving toward p2p.
>>>>
>>>> And I can imagine iPhones with the capacity to analyze self imaging...
>>>> Spot your own breaks, cancers, tooth decay by using tech.  Why not?  Set
>>>> your own bone?  Maybe you stop by a robot room.
>>>>
>>>> Who needs a nutritionist?  A personal trainer?  Only people who don't
>>>> have machines that allow them to share consistent processes and best
>>>> practices.  Even sports...we don't need coaches as much as we need analyses
>>>> of bio-physics compared to large networks of performance measures given
>>>> similar styles, flaws, etc.  Is my elbow too bent?  My hand too high?
>>>> Compare me to everyone who is also 6'2" who has a better swing than me...we
>>>> all share data and performance metrics...
>>>>
>>>> Also, P2P has to start us rapidly on the path to bots as peers.  That's
>>>> true in physical/medical realms, soon, I'd guess.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know that supplements are a big market.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about self-use medical devices? I thought that's what you're
>>>>> referring to re: Smartphone ultrasound scanner.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as defibrillators go, I know that they're not in wide use. They
>>>>> cost around $1000.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, blood sugar and pregnancy testing devices are used
>>>>> widely.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess it depends on the kind of device and its price.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Med sites amongst the largest on the web, Marc.  People playing doctor
>>>>>> all day every day.  Supplements will one day surpass big pharma I predict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People are not yet into playing doctor ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, defibrillators save lives but less than 1% of seniors
>>>>>>> have them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DIY or DIE" would be a good message in case of the defibrillators.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Engineers at Washington University in St. Louis, MO have turned a
>>>>>>>> smart phone into an ultrasound platform.  It is now possible to have
>>>>>>>> relatively sophisticated medical imaging virtually anywhere in the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/13928.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>>
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