[p2p-research] P2P Medicine -- Making Your Smart Phone into an Ultrasound Device

Thu Apr 23 03:55:18 CEST 2009

It's inevitable.  Skills are rare and demand is increasing.  That's the
perfect set up for robotics.  Bots can easily do eye surgery now, or fly a
plane.  Lots of tools are in place for remote surgery.  No need for docs in
the room now for most radiological practices.

The new Volvos for 2010 stop themselves automatically if you are about to
collide with something.  It's a matter of time to get people use to allow
machine control.

What humans do well is deal with other humans.  Machines have always taken
away our skills, and will continue to do so.  I feel for the mathematicians
who think it is elegant or beautiful for them to design proofs.  That's as
delusional as the guys who thought they could carve wood or stone better
than a machine.

Bots will be peers in most p2p scenarios prior to 2020.  I'd bet on it.
That will include dentistry work, phlebotomy, administering chemotherapy,
etc.  Wolfram's new project will have bots answering complex questions...can
medical work be far behind?  70% of the earth doesn't have access to an
x-ray.  The issue isn't machines or capital, it's skills.

Do we really need people driving all over, flying all over, to do
transactions?

Ryan Lanham

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

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> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:23 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I think you're on the spot there as far as the long term evolution of the
>> health market.
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>> Doctors can be replaced with expert systems. Surgeons can be replaced with
>> robots.
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> I personally think that's a fallacy and that expert systems will help
> doctors (and patients), and robots will help surgeons ... I've seen little
> evidence of such total replacement in very complex systems requiring
> judgment calls
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>> Medical and pharmaceutical researchers, bioinformatics researchers, et al
>> will still be needed. I know that some will say they too can be replaced
>> with discovery software couped to bots that can do experiments but that's a
>> little far fetched now since we haven't really cracked what 'creativity' is
>> and how major breakthroughs come to us. If we had, we wouldn't be
>> collaborating here.. we'd let our AI agents do all the
>> creative/philosophical thinking/problem solving.
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>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>> If you dis-intermediate a x-ray tech and still use a doctor, you are
>>> moving toward p2p.
>>>
>>> And I can imagine iPhones with the capacity to analyze self imaging...
>>> Spot your own breaks, cancers, tooth decay by using tech.  Why not?  Set
>>> your own bone?  Maybe you stop by a robot room.
>>>
>>> Who needs a nutritionist?  A personal trainer?  Only people who don't
>>> have machines that allow them to share consistent processes and best
>>> practices.  Even sports...we don't need coaches as much as we need analyses
>>> of bio-physics compared to large networks of performance measures given
>>> similar styles, flaws, etc.  Is my elbow too bent?  My hand too high?
>>> Compare me to everyone who is also 6'2" who has a better swing than me...we
>>> all share data and performance metrics...
>>>
>>> Also, P2P has to start us rapidly on the path to bots as peers.  That's
>>> true in physical/medical realms, soon, I'd guess.
>>>
>>> Ryan Lanham
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>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>> I know that supplements are a big market.
>>>>
>>>> How about self-use medical devices? I thought that's what you're
>>>> referring to re: Smartphone ultrasound scanner.
>>>>
>>>> As far as defibrillators go, I know that they're not in wide use. They
>>>> cost around $1000.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, blood sugar and pregnancy testing devices are used
>>>> widely.
>>>>
>>>> I guess it depends on the kind of device and its price.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>> Med sites amongst the largest on the web, Marc.  People playing doctor
>>>>> all day every day.  Supplements will one day surpass big pharma I predict.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Lanham
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>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> People are not yet into playing doctor ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, defibrillators save lives but less than 1% of seniors
>>>>>> have them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DIY or DIE" would be a good message in case of the defibrillators.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Engineers at Washington University in St. Louis, MO have turned a
>>>>>>> smart phone into an ultrasound platform.  It is now possible to have
>>>>>>> relatively sophisticated medical imaging virtually anywhere in the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/13928.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>
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