[p2p-research] simpler way wiki

[Michel Bauwens]

I'm coming back to my earlier request,

Before the end of the year, I would hope this community would have access to
a description of the key elements of a distributed infrastructure.

Thanks for anyone who can help me out with descriptions etc.. of exactly
what we need to work on in priority:

see http://p2pfoundation.net/Distributed_Infrastructures_Visualization

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Kevin Carson <
free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the comments, Nathan.
>
> On 4/19/09, Nathan Cravens <knuggy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So many proposals start out this way. I don't like the approach. Michel
> may
> > quickly point out, with fewer words, this method fosters extrinsic rather
> > than intrinsic motivation which potentially subjects  reliving the ghost
> of
> > scarcity: even if the practice proposed is of greater material benefit
> than
> > before. No matter how good or how much better--if it is motivated by
> > guilt--this community cannot be considered abundant--even if 100% of all
> > wants and needs are personally produced at 0% labor time.
>
> I agree.  Unfortunately, most green lifestylism is oriented toward
> greenwashed goods and services that are actually more expensive than
> its conventional counterparts, and that only yuppie types can afford
> to patronize out of liberal guilt.
>
> The alt economy's success will come from appealing to the material
> needs of people in the situation Dougald Hine described:  "Here's how
> you can keep a roof over your head and keep yourself warm and fed,
> comfortably and yet far more cheaply than what you're doing now, and
> best of all by means under your own control--indefinitely, and
> independently of the whims of a boss."
>
> > The YMCA approach you mention is also very useful when considering living
> > space for the 50% of folk living in urban areas. I disagree with the
> name,
> > Quadruple Alliance, as these three organizations I consider community
> > ventures outside the home environment. Because the home I prefer to keep
> in
> > the personal realm, I do not consider that an official community space.
> This
> > arbitrary separation ensures personal vs community growth. Also, I
> believe
> > the Fab covers the construction of living environments. The fab lab title
> > covers the other structural areas of concern to meet the objectives of
> the
> > lab: materials generation or recycling (a farm, from food to aluminum),
> > retrieval (using people/robots), and storage (warehousing, expected to
> > dwindle over time).
>
> I understand the home/nothome distinction you're making, and your
> preference not to include the housing proposal as part of the Alliance
> package.
>
> The reason it occurred to me to call it a Quadruple Alliance was
> mainly that you were fleshing out a sketch of Dougald Hine's, and
> housing seemed equally relevant to the question he used to open the
> whole discussion: "how do I survive now that I'm unemployed.
>
> Housing strikes me, if not as a fourth leg of your system, at least a
> coequal leg of *an* alternative economic life support system in answer
> to the same questions that inspired your Triple Alliance page at
> Appropedia.   The housing leg is an essential part of an overall
> "resilient community" package that can weather and survive the Great
> Recession in a manner analogous to the villa after the fall of Rome.
> >From the perspective of the sizable fraction of the general population
> that may soon be unemployed or unemployed, and consequently homeless,
> access to shelter falls in the same general class of pressing
> self-support needs as work in the Fab Lab and feeding oneself via the
> CSA farm.
>
> --
> Kevin Carson
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> http://www.mutualist.org/id47.html
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> http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
>
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