[p2p-research] [p2p energy economy] Re: Toward a p2p Collaborative Principles -- Section 1 (Draft) Toward a Peer to Peer Ethos

[marc fawzi]

Ryan
I don't mean to speak on Alex' behalf but your new wording is even better.

We can't eliminate all types of hierarchies (sometimes is makes no
sense) but we should try to avoid the command and control ones as much
as possible.

Is there a way to state that explicitly?

As an example of a type of hierarchy that makes no sense to eliminate
think of the singer and her audience. There is separateness in Western
philosophy and as long as there is the concept of self such type of
heirarchy between producer and consumer will always be there and it
makes no sense to eliminate it, unless we think in terms of wholeness
not separateness.

Anyway, if Ryan's rewording of Alex' para can explicitly state no
command and control heirarchy then I subscribe to it.

Marc

On 4/20/09, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Alex,
>
> Revision 1 of Draft 1 Section 1.
>
> How about a sentence like the following as a 2nd sentence in
>
> 1(A):  Peers typically recognize each other without reference to rank or
> hierarchies. Their willingness to interact is not linked to external
> benefits or causes such as prestige, duty or obligation.  Instead, they
> interact best with egalitarian spirit hoping to serve and be served by
> contributions to the commons.
>
> After 1(B) interactions: .... High quality p2p interactions benefit
> participants and larger communities.  Quality degrades as participants lose
> control and/or diminish larger communities.
>
> Marc:  Thanks. Will look to revision concept.
>
> Ryan Lanham
> rlanham1963 at gmail.com
> Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Section 1: Toward a Peer to Peer (p2p) Ethos
>>
>> Article 1.       P2P Interactions
>>
>>
>>
>> A.      High quality p2p interactions exist between peers.
>>
>>
>> Interactions that are high high quality are...unmediated?
>>
>>
>> High quality interactions are sought, and assumed to be sought?
>>
>>
>> Special importance is placed upon reducing the effect or reference to
>> traditional heirarchical structures in common interactions.  For example,
>> where an employer/employee relationship is always contextualized in that
>> heirarchy, p2p approaches seek to identify common goals and appropriate
>> roles, as opposed to being informed or centering on heirarchy.
>>
>>
>> These interactions attempt to minimize the participation of any framework,
>> force, entity or organization that might become involved between two or
>> more parties seeking use, enjoyment, employment or collaboration
>> concerning
>> something that can be shared between consenting parties.
>>
>> B.      In high quality p2p interactions: The context, purpose or task
>> which informs interactions is designed to minimize potential external
>> control of the validity, legality or ethical spirit of the interaction so
>> long as participants are willing to engage.
>>
>>
>> Those engaged in p2p acitivities seek out opportunities to minimize the
>> effects or potential effects of external control systems through a number
>> of
>> methods including the declaration of those external forces for conscious
>> examination.  This allows participants to examine the the system together
>> and establish a shared context.
>>
>>
>> C.      What to avoid: P2P specifically does not aim to circumvent
>> democratically enacted laws, rights to property, rightfully established
>> organizational controls, or legitimate claims of propriety in force of any
>> sort.  Rather, p2p seeks to build and expand common resources that are
>> expressly free, open, collaborative and mutually beneficial.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:59 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan,
>>>
>>> This is really high quality at the policy level, especially for the 1st
>>> iteration.
>>>
>>> You could use the same release numbering scheme as that used in the
>>> software release process. Major release number, major version, minor
>>> version, e.g. R 00.00.01 or v00.00.01, so you can update the minor
>>> version
>>> number with each minor revision and update the major version number with
>>> major revisions (measured by the effect of the change on the model not
>>> just
>>> the size of the change in terms of the text that's modified, deleted or
>>> added)
>>>
>>> I'll catch up later tonight PDT. Running late on a few errands.
>>>
>>> Thanks for starting this. Very exciting.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Ryan Lanham
>>> <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Core Peer-2-Peer Collaboration Principles or a Collaborative P2P
>>>> Constitution
>>>> Summary of Intent
>>>> TBD
>>>>
>>>> Section 1: Toward a Peer to Peer (p2p) Ethos
>>>>
>>>> Article 1.       P2P Interactions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A.      High quality p2p interactions exist between peers.  These
>>>> interactions attempt to minimize the participation of any framework,
>>>> force,
>>>> entity or organization that might become involved between two or
>>>> more parties seeking use, enjoyment, employment or collaboration
>>>> concerning
>>>> something that can be shared between consenting parties.
>>>>
>>>> B.      In high quality p2p interactions: The context, purpose or task
>>>> which informs interactions is designed to minimize potential external
>>>> control of the validity, legality or ethical spirit of the interaction
>>>> so
>>>> long as participants are willing to engage.
>>>>
>>>> C.      What to avoid: P2P specifically does not aim to circumvent
>>>> democratically enacted laws, rights to property, rightfully established
>>>> organizational controls, or legitimate claims of propriety in force of
>>>> any
>>>> sort.  Rather, p2p seeks to build and expand common resources that are
>>>> expressly free, open, collaborative and mutually beneficial.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Article 2.       Recognition of the Commons
>>>>
>>>> Please add any comments, changes, complaints, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Marc Fawzi
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>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcfawzi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex
>> I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think.- Socrates
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
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