[p2p-research] [p2p energy economy] p2p - Systems Modeling - How to Talk about Anything p2p with Anyone

[Michel Bauwens]

Thanks for sharing that Alex,

I'm tending to Marc's view here, that most of the time, by concentrating on
the ethos of people's natural tendency towards mutual respect, extending say
the type of relation they may have in a class (wihtout the teacher), or in
democratic family setting, will work for many people. It's a lot more
difficult in cultures like the one in Thailand, where authority ranking is
much more deeply ingrained.

Marc: for your discussion of games, you should consider adding the people of
the Cooperation Commons, who are more versed in these matters, and may
challenge you more,

Michel

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:21 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Power Words:
>
> 1. Justice
>
> 2. Peace
>
> 3. Peer to Peer (no inequities, no barriers, but not 'no differences'..
> we're not a borg)
>
> 4. Cooperation (see Snowdrift game vs Prisoner's Dilemma thread... I'd like
> to write something more holistic about cooperation in networks vs
> hierarchies and give a powerful case for the P2P model which is based on the
> network paradigm... and talk about competition and preferential access in
> the context of the moral paradigm)
>
> 5. Open (both the production organization and the code/content)
>
> A lot of our discussion here revolves around defining the above *words* ...
> even if we don't do that explicitly. Everything ever posted to this list is
> about providing one's definition for one or more of the above words (and any
> other such power words that i may have missed)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:10 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I know the word "peer" is very powerful.
>>
>> To me, the word "peer" (and more specifically "peer to peer") immediately
>> references "equal empowerment" (as in eliminating inequities, and I hope not
>> "equality" as in eliminating differences)
>>
>> I think that's something people can understand.
>>
>> To boil it down to pictures and popular meme we need to identify the
>> _power words_ and spend time tying all such _power words_  to specific
>> definitions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I had a couple more calls today.  I find that briefing people on p2p
>>> systems, briefing people who have no experience in p2p systems, is
>>> impossible.
>>>
>>> Well, nearly so, anyways.  I'll say it is time consuming.  It requires a
>>> lot of hypothetical examples.  It requires conversation to find some of the
>>> more complex experiences that people have had in order to evolve a p2p
>>> system out of the space they are already familiar with.
>>>
>>> So, it's not impossible.
>>>
>>> I'm working on ways to represent perspectives in this kind of
>>> conversation.  With pictures.   Lots of pretty, simple pictures.
>>>
>>> So...about ethos... it's about behavior, our own or our own perceptions
>>> of the external  behavior of others, internal orientation like thoughts
>>> dreams and values and outlook, as well as the internal expectations we have
>>> about the systems we perceive as having a relationship to us.
>>>
>>> In short, first, second, and third person perspectives.  I/We, You/Us,
>>> It/Those
>>>
>>> When we start to talk about how We act, behave, treat, entertain, or
>>> work, I'm of the opinion that being explicit will help a whole lot.
>>>
>>> There are sooo many different pieces that show up depending on the
>>> experience of the participants, the nature and location of the system/work
>>> being done, and the work itself as a matter of order of complexity.
>>>
>>> I beg your forgiveness on these lists as I may, ever now and again, jump
>>> in and offer what I can as far as additional precision where possible, and
>>> hope you will consider it an invitation to correct and build together a more
>>> specific language that will potentially be wider received.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
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