[p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group
Samuel Rose
samuel.rose at gmail.com
Mon Apr 20 21:52:00 CEST 2009
I don't teach students in Universities. I work with people from all
backgrounds to implement commons-based systems.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Samuel and Michel:
>
> A slow death is still a death. Why (further) enable something that isn't
> working? If it is working, where's the proof? I don't want to toss the
> baby with the bathwater, but all I see is the bathwater...or, it is like
> tiny baby soup.
>
> I appreciate it may seem iconoclastic in the extreme to talk about
> dissolving large universities, but wasn't it so a short time ago for
> institutions like Citigroup, Ford and United Airlines? What have we gained
> by prolonging the inevitable. I am for the quick change...as Samuel and
> Michel suggest for "portions" of the academy. Lots of things are melting in
> the heat of the current world, why would universities be so sacred as to be
> exempt? One must really love faux gothic buildings and feather crowned
> crests to get too sentimental about it. I know bankers who mourn the old
> Wall Street. Should we keep it up so that the Gentlemen's Clubs of London
> and the steak houses of New York can keep their leather polished. Either
> one is or one isn't a progressive. You can't teach students radical
> transparency and service learning and then slink off to the privilege of
> sabbaticals and top-heavy research grant factories.
>
> Ryan Lanham
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I really don't know how realistic your expectation is. How many uni's,
>> with their current culture and admin hierarchy, would survive such a
>> transition?
>>
>> Why not defend public universities and their funding, but also fight for
>> self-management? Within such a context, certain aspects of university life
>> could try out the commons route.
>>
>> But outside of it, I fear it would be use much as the sustainability
>> concept, as an empty slogan used politically to enclose public education,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/09, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the problems here in the US is that public funding has largely
>>> dried up for Universities, and so most of them have turned to larger
>>> corporations for money. Related to this, some of them have also turned to
>>> being in the "business" of securing grants (and often not doing much with
>>> the grants other than absorbing them, and pressuring PI's to seek more
>>> grants instead of allowing grantees to work to make those that grantees have
>>> already received achieve their stated goals).
>>>
>>> In the US, Universities are top-heavy when it comes to maximizing money.
>>> They became very used to public subsidies, and grants, and created a rather
>>> insatiable appetite for money. So, once that money stream has dried up, many
>>> of them turned to restructuring themselves as businesses in order to just
>>> sustain programs, building projects, etc. Perhaps it is the same in EU and
>>> UK? I don't have direct experience, and so do not know for sure.
>>>
>>> I think that given the larger environment, that it will be practically
>>> impossible for many Universities in the US to avoid restructuring themselves
>>> as businesses.
>>>
>>> So, the question them becomes: what *kind* of "business" should a
>>> University be?
>>>
>>> There is a legitimate business model, that I call a "commons-based"
>>> business model. This model is probably the best fit for Universities. Give
>>> it away, making money. Steve Bosserman writes about it here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/steve_bosserman/2008/02/09/giving_it_away_making_money.htm
>>>
>>> I agree with Andreas that Universities should stay away from more
>>> traditional business. Stay away from making their staff and students
>>> available as low cost research outsource grunts. Basically, stay away from
>>> seeing people and land as natural resources and labor to be capitalized
>>> upon.
>>>
>>> The cost of restructuring to take commons based business route is far
>>> less than than the cost of scarcity based business , and commons based
>>> businesses run with principles discussed by Elinor Ostrum in Governing the
>>> Commons (design principles discussion) will outperform and outsustain
>>> scarcity based businesses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Wittel, Andreas <
>>> andreas.wittel at ntu.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> not sure if I understand your question. If you do think that
>>>> universities should not be businesses (as I do) why think about examples in
>>>> history that show a successful transformation from non-business to business
>>>> models? Are you indicating with your question that this change of unis to
>>>> corporations will ultimately fail?
>>>>
>>>> The primary function of universities in one sentence? Perhaps to
>>>> contribute to the production and dissemination of knowledge? Obviously there
>>>> are other players emerging doing the same thing, collective intelligence
>>>> etc. So there is competition, whcih has to be a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> I really dont think that p2p will wash away capitalism and all
>>>> institutions associated with it. I'd rather think of this in terms of
>>>> mergers. Any idea what universities would look like if they would go p2p
>>>> instead of business?
>>>>
>>>> Andreas
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: Ryan Lanham [mailto:rlanham1963 at gmail.com]
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Mon 20/04/2009 03:00
>>>> To: Wittel, Andreas
>>>> Cc: Athina Karatzogianni; list-en at oekonux.org; p2pf at yahoogroups.com;
>>>> Peer-To-Peer Research List
>>>> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Andreas,
>>>>
>>>> Here's a question...a sincere one, not a rhetorical one: Is there any
>>>> institution that has, in history, internally reformed satisfactorily by
>>>> adopting a business model when no such model existed from the outset? I
>>>> think of New Public Management in government/public affairs as a minimally
>>>> successful (and still highly controversial) model. I'm sure there are
>>>> numerous others.
>>>>
>>>> Universities, like governments, are not businesses. Businesses exist to
>>>> optimize their own survival and to control percentages of ecological
>>>> carrying capacities that enrich managers and shareholders. Governments
>>>> exist to achieve stable advancement and protection of normative social
>>>> values. Universities exist to....???
>>>>
>>>> One can add many predicates. What is disturbing is that one cannot
>>>> think of a defining predicate...particularly one that doesn't entail
>>>> prestige and identity enhancement...thinks seemingly at odds with sharing
>>>> usable assets optimally.
>>>>
>>>> I contend p2p exists to simplify and optimize distribution of
>>>> resources...it replaces capitalism, institutions, socialism and several
>>>> other approaches that aimed to deal with distribution of resources. p2p is
>>>> a form of economics that makes the money component of value subordinate to
>>>> efficient distribution with, through, or in spite of money. Its ethos is
>>>> sharing usable assets without creating persons or entities unwilling to
>>>> share usable assets. It does this by minimizing overheads associated with
>>>> the delivery of sharing.
>>>>
>>>> Universities were p2p 1.0. Time to envision 2.0. No need for the
>>>> institutional components.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Wittel, Andreas <
>>>> andreas.wittel at ntu.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Basically I agree with this critique but would offer a twist. The
>>>> university as secret society model is rapidly vanishing and making space for
>>>> the university as business model. Where university knowledge formerly has
>>>> been hidden away, it is now opening up to all kinds of so called effiencies
>>>> such as auditing, quality control, usability, just in time delivery,
>>>> customer service and so on. Not sure what is worse.
>>>> Andreas
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: Ryan Lanham [mailto:rlanham1963 at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Sun 19/04/2009 03:17
>>>> To: Wittel, Andreas
>>>> Cc: Athina Karatzogianni; list-en at oekonux.org;
>>>> p2pf at yahoogroups.com; Peer-To-Peer Research List
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me that there are at least two ways institutions can
>>>> be judged successful: First, they can be viewed as survivors in an ecology.
>>>> To succeed, they need only continue. The second way to success is in
>>>> serving some purpose well.
>>>>
>>>> Monolithic knowledge has few supporters these days. So if one
>>>> opts for the second and more human purpose, there needs to be a mission
>>>> beyond "veritas". Teaching does not seem to be the mission of most
>>>> institutions; it is a byproduct. Few who study teaching find universities
>>>> to be particularly good at it, and teaching is rarely studied as a pursuit
>>>> in universities outside of the discipline of education. Boosting people
>>>> into competencies is a plausible mission, but even there, universities are
>>>> hardly efficient or effective.
>>>>
>>>> I think universities had two symbiotic purposes--one to imbue
>>>> students with associative identity and institutional prestige--with a
>>>> byproduct of some learning, and the second, more elemental mission was to
>>>> earn that prestige through "scholarship."
>>>>
>>>> So the real question of the worth or failure of universities
>>>> comes back, it seems to me, to the meaning of scholarship. P2P modes exist
>>>> (spontaneously?) for efficiencies of minimalizing institutional
>>>> burdens--bureaucracy, identity, prestige, norms, hierachies, etc.
>>>>
>>>> My condemnation of universities is in finding their definitions
>>>> of scholarship to be (too often) solipsistic, removed from relevance and,
>>>> more generally, exclusive. They failed by hiding their product from
>>>> transparency. Instead, they chose to form guilds and to perfect trade
>>>> secrets, normative rituals, and to act more like secret societies than
>>>> service entities.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, knowledge is useful and universities contribute
>>>> almost in spite of themselves. Learned individuals do the right
>>>> things--perhaps as Athina is doing--just because they embody the very
>>>> desires for meaning, value and efficiency that are at the heart of the p2p
>>>> ethos. In a sense, p2p success at universities requires fighting the
>>>> conventional institutional overhead
>>>>
>>>> When the two blend, the academy washes out the authenticity of
>>>> p2p through institutional machinery that simply can't be abandoned by most.
>>>> People need the church acoutrements that Marc suggests exist. p2p is thus
>>>> potentially lost in the very mechanics it innocently undermines. Like water
>>>> against a shore, it will bounce back and meld in because its dissolving
>>>> power is very microscopic--at the level of the person...it is not aggregated
>>>> to the perspective of people who view the world from institutional eyes...as
>>>> land and sea. But sometimes there are storms and rapid shifts, to extend a
>>>> metaphor way too far!
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Wittel, Andreas <
>>>> andreas.wittel at ntu.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a interesting question.
>>>>
>>>> As I have hosted the workshop in Nottingham, I 'd like to
>>>> share my experience with Nottingham Trend Uni. I asked the IT people to set
>>>> up a wiki and was told that this is not possible as NTU wanted control over
>>>> content. Obviously the result was a dead web site, suitable for information
>>>> around the time of the conference, and dead later.
>>>>
>>>> I would suspect that most unis have this policy. Should
>>>> Hull be more open, and open to a wiki, and willing to fund the site, then I
>>>> would welcome this and take advantage of it. However if Hull has (1) similar
>>>> concerns about wikis as NTU, and (2) does not fund a non-Hull website for
>>>> the research group, I would follow Ryan's suggestion to set up the p2p
>>>> research group without uni affiliation.
>>>>
>>>> Basically we dont need uni support to set up a research
>>>> group. But we do need uni support (in terms of funding) to meet for
>>>> conferences and workshops.
>>>>
>>>> One more thing. Ryan said ealier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, lists of "researchers" meaning people
>>>> at academic institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As much as my academic heart agrees with this due to all
>>>> kinds of frustrations in this world, I find this a dangerous statement as it
>>>> puts universities in the realm of history. Are you really suggesting we dont
>>>> need unis any more? How about newspapers? Art? Literature? Sould all this
>>>> (which is under serious threat atm) be allowed to be swept away for
>>>> non-insitituational knowledge work to succeed?
>>>>
>>>> For those interested in the relevance of history in the
>>>> information age I'd recommend Alan Liu (2004), The Laws of Cool.
>>>>
>>>> Andreas
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org on behalf of
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>> Sent: Sat 18/04/2009 20:23
>>>> To: Athina Karatzogianni
>>>> Cc: list-en at oekonux.org; p2pf at yahoogroups.com;
>>>> Peer-To-Peer Research List
>>>> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research
>>>> Group
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Athina. I will do what you say.
>>>>
>>>> I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I
>>>> have been an employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech
>>>> universities. It would be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about
>>>> higher ed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter
>>>> for best practices in community engagement that may serve as a suitable
>>>> base; I will post a link in the next couple of days since I am not as good
>>>> as Michel at building stockpiles on de.licio.us <http://de.licio.us/>
>>>> <http://de.licio.us/> <http://de.licio.us/> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative
>>>> foundation, method, or tools besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and
>>>> speak out as time goes forward.
>>>>
>>>> I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and
>>>> can imagine the risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>>>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ryan
>>>>
>>>> I am all for what you propose, please take the
>>>> initiative.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to add here if I may, in response
>>>> one of your previous emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and
>>>> hull is interested in supporting this effort (i have kept chasing them
>>>> around for the past 2 years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms
>>>> of excluding non academics and other more serious ideological issues, which
>>>> I recognize as valid.
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to
>>>> defend any sort of effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me
>>>> personally and my work more generally will know were my political loyalties
>>>> have been and will continue to be. They are not with institutions and
>>>> certainly not with hierarchies.
>>>>
>>>> Please take the lead in this, and whoever else
>>>> wants to take initiatives they are here to be taken. I am not excluding
>>>> anyone and neither does what happens to be my current affiliation. In a way
>>>> I am trying to say that this is a research group for p2p researchers, how
>>>> can it have different logic and how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it
>>>> for granted that it has a peer logic. Doing charters and discussing
>>>> governance perhaps someone like you can the the lead in. All I trying to do
>>>> is set up, host everyone for a first time in hull to discuss all these
>>>> issues and create some sort of governance structure for the group when we
>>>> meet face to face and get some funding going.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Athina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <
>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Michel,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. A constitution isn't a bad idea,
>>>> but rather than one drafter, I'll look for a starting point that is more
>>>> collaborative and perhaps an open section of the wiki could be used to
>>>> gather broad inpur. I'd be happy to shepherd and encourage that process.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps others with interests in open and
>>>> collaborative governance could take significant roles in editing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel
>>>> Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think any social or
>>>> political change project can bypass altogether all institutions, it needs to
>>>> work both within and without. This being said, while aiming for funding
>>>> obviously demands playing by some rules, I think that for all participants
>>>> who believe in the P2P ethos, no research project can or should be exclusive
>>>> to academic researchers. In my view, the new group should also be able to
>>>> assist non-academic researchers.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps, we could write a manifesto
>>>> of sorts, that would serve as the 'constitution' of the group, which would
>>>> specific this,
>>>>
>>>> Would you be interested in taking
>>>> the lead in writing this?
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM,
>>>> Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I applaud this initiative
>>>> and bravo to those offering the funding. On the other hand, lists of
>>>> "researchers" meaning people at academic institutions who write papers for
>>>> journals seems a failed model that is less in need of reinforcement than
>>>> rejection.
>>>>
>>>> Research in an academic
>>>> sense is not p2p, hasn't been, and never will be. I would not exclude it, I
>>>> just would feed it by giving it additional free assets of prestige and focus
>>>> without their earning those resources in open (truly open) communities.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09
>>>> AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I´m extremely happy
>>>> to announce this initiative, which will enable people interested in p2p
>>>> dynamics to more easily appeal for research funding.
>>>>
>>>> B elow is a short
>>>> announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please ask for the document that she
>>>> is referring to in her email listed below. If you are involved with
>>>> research, academic or not, please let us know and do forward this message to
>>>> other networks.
>>>>
>>>> If you have no
>>>> access to the attached document, please request one from Athina via email
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michel Bauwens
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Text:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The P2P Foundation
>>>> <http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration with the University of
>>>> Hull <http://www.hull.ac.uk/> are creating a P2PResearch Group (P2PRG)
>>>> with a physical base in Hull, in order to initiate a material equivalent to
>>>> the various virtual networks we are all part of. Some of the goals of the
>>>> group are to attract funding to improve already existent infrastructures,
>>>> create more material and immaterial networks and hubs and capture funding
>>>> for research, conferences and workshops. A conference scheduled for November
>>>> will also produce a direct and transparent steering committee to oversee the
>>>> various activities of the group. Therefore, it would be particularly
>>>> helpful, if everyone, who is interested in participating, fills as much
>>>> information as they can, in the document attached, and email it to Athina <
>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>
>>>> at athina.k at gmail.com"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> see and forward doc
>>>> attached (please edit doc michel as you see fit)
>>>>
>>>> athina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr Athina
>>>> Karatzogianni
>>>> Lecturer in Media,
>>>> Culture and Society
>>>> The Dean's
>>>> Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>> Faculty of Arts and
>>>> Social Sciences
>>>> The University of
>>>> Hull
>>>> United Kingdom
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Dr Athina
>>>> Karatzogianni
>>>> Lecturer in Media,
>>>> Culture and Society
>>>> The Dean's
>>>> Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>> Faculty of Arts and
>>>> Social Sciences
>>>> The University of
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>>>> United Kingdom
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>> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com
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