[p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group
marc fawzi
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Sun Apr 19 02:59:45 CEST 2009
I am for respecting all "religious institutions" including p2p, academia,
corporations, governments, etc
There are people who believe in and practice the ideologies of p2p, others
who do the same w.r.t. academia, and yet others who do the same w.r.t.
corporations and governments.
It is an issue of religion when you believe in it, practice it and follow
its methods and defend it when others attack it. So I think that's what
we're talking about and working with all religions is a good thing, while
being obviously in favor of your own religion (whatever it may be)
No one is taken seriously in any given institution unless they believe in
and defend that institution or else they're cast aside by most other
believers.
So, again, I think it's important to work with all religions of the mind.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Wittel, Andreas
<andreas.wittel at ntu.ac.uk>wrote:
> This is a interesting question.
>
> As I have hosted the workshop in Nottingham, I 'd like to share my
> experience with Nottingham Trend Uni. I asked the IT people to set up a wiki
> and was told that this is not possible as NTU wanted control over content.
> Obviously the result was a dead web site, suitable for information around
> the time of the conference, and dead later.
>
> I would suspect that most unis have this policy. Should Hull be more open,
> and open to a wiki, and willing to fund the site, then I would welcome this
> and take advantage of it. However if Hull has (1) similar concerns about
> wikis as NTU, and (2) does not fund a non-Hull website for the research
> group, I would follow Ryan's suggestion to set up the p2p research group
> without uni affiliation.
>
> Basically we dont need uni support to set up a research group. But we do
> need uni support (in terms of funding) to meet for conferences and
> workshops.
>
> One more thing. Ryan said ealier.
>
> On the other hand, lists of "researchers" meaning people at academic
> institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model
>
> As much as my academic heart agrees with this due to all kinds of
> frustrations in this world, I find this a dangerous statement as it puts
> universities in the realm of history. Are you really suggesting we dont need
> unis any more? How about newspapers? Art? Literature? Sould all this (which
> is under serious threat atm) be allowed to be swept away for
> non-insitituational knowledge work to succeed?
>
> For those interested in the relevance of history in the information age I'd
> recommend Alan Liu (2004), The Laws of Cool.
>
> Andreas
>
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> From: p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org on behalf of Ryan Lanham
> Sent: Sat 18/04/2009 20:23
> To: Athina Karatzogianni
> Cc: list-en at oekonux.org; p2pf at yahoogroups.com; Peer-To-Peer Research List
> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group
>
>
> Thanks, Athina. I will do what you say.
>
> I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been an
> employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities. It would
> be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about higher ed.
>
> There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best practices
> in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will post a
> link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at building
> stockpiles on de.licio.us <http://de.licio.us/> .
>
> Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method, or
> tools besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time goes
> forward.
>
> I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can imagine the
> risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.
>
> Ryan Lanham
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <athina.k at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ryan
>
> I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative.
>
> I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of your
> previous emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is
> interested in supporting this effort (i have kept chasing them around for
> the past 2 years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of
> excluding non academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I
> recognize as valid.
>
> Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend any sort
> of effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally and my work
> more generally will know were my political loyalties have been and will
> continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not with
> hierarchies.
>
> Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take
> initiatives they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither
> does what happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say
> that this is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different
> logic and how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has
> a peer logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like
> you can the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a
> first time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of
> governance structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some
> funding going.
>
> Cheers
>
> Athina
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Michel,
>
> Thanks. A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather than
> one drafter, I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative and
> perhaps an open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur.
> I'd be happy to shepherd and encourage that process.
>
> Perhaps others with interests in open and collaborative
> governance could take significant roles in editing.
>
>
> Ryan Lanham
> rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>
> Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I don't think any social or political change project
> can bypass altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within and
> without. This being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands playing
> by some rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the P2P
> ethos, no research project can or should be exclusive to academic
> researchers. In my view, the new group should also be able to assist
> non-academic researchers.
>
> Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts, that
> would serve as the 'constitution' of the group, which would specific this,
>
> Would you be interested in taking the lead in
> writing this?
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham <
> rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I applaud this initiative and bravo to those
> offering the funding. On the other hand, lists of "researchers" meaning
> people at academic institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed
> model that is less in need of reinforcement than rejection.
>
> Research in an academic sense is not p2p,
> hasn't been, and never will be. I would not exclude it, I just would feed
> it by giving it additional free assets of prestige and focus without their
> earning those resources in open (truly open) communities.
>
> Ryan Lanham
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Michel
> Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I´m extremely happy to announce this
> initiative, which will enable people interested in p2p dynamics to more
> easily appeal for research funding.
>
> B elow is a short announcement from
> Athina Karatzogianni, please ask for the document that she is referring to
> in her email listed below. If you are involved with research, academic or
> not, please let us know and do forward this message to other networks.
>
> If you have no access to the
> attached document, please request one from Athina via email
>
>
>
> Michel Bauwens
>
>
>
>
> Text:
>
> "The P2P Foundation <
> http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration with the University of Hull <
> http://www.hull.ac.uk/> are creating a P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a
> physical base in Hull, in order to initiate a material equivalent to the
> various virtual networks we are all part of. Some of the goals of the group
> are to attract funding to improve already existent infrastructures, create
> more material and immaterial networks and hubs and capture funding for
> research, conferences and workshops. A conference scheduled for November
> will also produce a direct and transparent steering committee to oversee the
> various activities of the group. Therefore, it would be particularly
> helpful, if everyone, who is interested in participating, fills as much
> information as they can, in the document attached, and email it to Athina <
> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>
> at athina.k at gmail.com"
>
> see and forward doc attached (please
> edit doc michel as you see fit)
>
> athina
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