[p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group

Sun Apr 19 00:38:39 CEST 2009

This is a interesting question. 

As I have hosted the workshop in Nottingham, I 'd like to share my experience with Nottingham Trend Uni. I asked the IT people to set up a wiki and was told that this is not possible as NTU wanted control over content. Obviously the result was a dead web site, suitable for information around the time of the conference, and dead later. 

I would suspect that most unis have this policy. Should Hull be more open, and open to a wiki, and willing to fund the site, then I would welcome this and take advantage of it. However if Hull has (1) similar concerns about wikis as NTU, and (2) does not fund a non-Hull website for the research group, I would follow Ryan's suggestion to set up the p2p research group without uni affiliation.

Basically we dont need uni support to set up a research group. But we do need uni support (in terms of funding) to meet for conferences and workshops.

One more thing. Ryan said ealier. 

On the other hand, lists of  "researchers" meaning people at academic institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model 

As much as my academic heart agrees with this due to all kinds of frustrations in this world, I find this a dangerous statement as it puts universities in the realm of history. Are you really suggesting we dont need unis any more? How about newspapers? Art? Literature? Sould all this (which is under serious threat atm) be allowed to be swept away for non-insitituational knowledge work to succeed? 

For those interested in the relevance of history in the information age I'd recommend Alan Liu (2004), The Laws of Cool.

Andreas

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Subject: Re: [p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group

Thanks, Athina.  I will do what you say. 

 I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been an employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities.  It would be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about  higher ed.  

There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best practices in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will post a link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at building stockpiles on de.licio.us <http://de.licio.us/> .

Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method, or tools besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time goes forward.

I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can imagine the risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.

Ryan Lanham

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:

	Hi Ryan

	I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative. 

	I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of your previous emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is interested in supporting this effort (i have kept  chasing them around for the past 2 years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of excluding non academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I recognize as valid.

	Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend any sort of effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally and my work more generally will know were my political loyalties have been and will continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not with hierarchies.

	Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take initiatives they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither does what happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say that this is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different logic and how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has a peer logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like you can the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a first time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of governance structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some funding going. 

	Cheers

	Athina 

	On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

		Hi Michel,

		Thanks.  A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather than one drafter, I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative and perhaps an open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur.  I'd be happy to shepherd and encourage that process.

		Perhaps others with interests in open and collaborative governance could take significant roles in editing. 

		Ryan Lanham
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		On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:

			Hi Ryan,

			I don't think any social or political change project can bypass altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within and without. This being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands playing by some rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the P2P ethos, no research project can or should be exclusive to academic researchers. In my view, the new group should also be able to assist non-academic researchers.

			Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts, that would serve as the 'constitution' of the group, which would specific this,

			Would you be interested in taking the lead in writing this?

			Michel

			On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

				I applaud this initiative and bravo to those offering the funding.  On the other hand, lists of  "researchers" meaning people at academic institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model that is less in need of reinforcement than rejection.

				Research in an academic sense is not p2p, hasn't been, and never will be.  I would not exclude it, I just would feed it by giving it additional free assets of prestige and focus without their earning those resources in open (truly open) communities.

				Ryan Lanham

				On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:

					I´m extremely happy to announce this initiative, which will enable people interested in p2p dynamics to more easily appeal for research funding.

					B  elow is a short announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please ask for the document that she is referring to in her email listed below. If you are involved with research, academic or not, please let us know and do forward this message to other networks.

					If you have no access to the attached document, please request one from Athina via email

					Michel Bauwens

					Text:

					"The P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/>  in collaboration with the University of Hull <http://www.hull.ac.uk/> are creating a P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a physical base in Hull, in order to initiate a material equivalent to the various virtual networks we are all part of. Some of the goals of the group are to attract funding to improve already existent infrastructures, create more material and immaterial networks and hubs and capture funding for research, conferences and workshops. A conference scheduled for November will also produce a direct and transparent steering committee to oversee the various activities of the group. Therefore, it would be particularly helpful, if everyone, who is interested in participating, fills as much information as they can, in the document attached, and email it to Athina <http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>  at athina.k at gmail.com"

					see and forward doc attached (please edit doc michel as you see fit)

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