[p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group

marc fawzi marc.fawzi at gmail.com
Sat Apr 18 23:58:53 CEST 2009 

 agile methodology really works well in this setting so the first shot can
be very rough...

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll take a shot at compiling  something coherent from the wiki parts that
> appear relevant.
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> Ryan
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> Ryan Lanham
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> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:53 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> In other words, we don't have to start completely from scratch. There is a
>> lot on the wiki already in individual works as far as models and frameworks.
>> And then there is the stuff Michel pasted in this thread.
>>
>> The agile process normally starts with a very rough input and then
>> iterates through feedback, exploring paths and making evolutionary leaps
>> (breakthroughs)... It maintains stability over the long range of the vision
>> (the final goal) by being open to instability in the short range of the
>> vision (the objectives)
>>
>> And all  input can happen at once in a very messy way at start and during
>> times of change (the calm before the storm, the storm, and the fertile
>> aftermath, all must be witnessed for a system to evolve naturally)
>>
>> my 2.222 cents
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Like I said in reply to Michel, which seems to have gone unnoticed for
>>> some reason, there are individual author pages on the P2P Foundation wiki
>>> each of which has it's own flavor of P2P theory (including Michel's own
>>> writing on P2P theory) and each of which have a set of goals/propositions.
>>>
>>> If you take the goals from all those individual works and combine them
>>> with the cut&paste Michel put in his reply somewhere in this thread (it says
>>> "Appendix" in the title of the paste) then you will have the set of
>>> collective goals for the P2P Foundation. They can be split into Theory
>>> Propositions and Actionable Goals and then they can be narrowed down to an
>>> official P2P Foundation position after collective agreement.
>>>
>>> The wiki is only one way to achieve the above. This discussion list is
>>> another way. Online chat (with logs) is yet another way. It's all just
>>> collaborative expression.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Athina.  I will do what you say.
>>>>
>>>>  I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been an
>>>> employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities.  It would
>>>> be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about  higher ed.
>>>>
>>>> There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best
>>>> practices in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will
>>>> post a link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at
>>>> building stockpiles on de.licio.us.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method, or
>>>> tools besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time goes
>>>> forward.
>>>>
>>>> I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can imagine
>>>> the risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>>>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ryan
>>>>>
>>>>> I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of your
>>>>> previous emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is
>>>>> interested in supporting this effort (i have kept  chasing them around for
>>>>> the past 2 years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of
>>>>> excluding non academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I
>>>>> recognize as valid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend any sort of
>>>>> effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally and my work
>>>>> more generally will know were my political loyalties have been and will
>>>>> continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not with
>>>>> hierarchies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take
>>>>> initiatives they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither
>>>>> does what happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say
>>>>> that this is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different
>>>>> logic and how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has
>>>>> a peer logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like
>>>>> you can the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a
>>>>> first time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of
>>>>> governance structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some
>>>>> funding going.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Athina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Michel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.  A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather than one drafter,
>>>>>> I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative and perhaps an
>>>>>> open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur.  I'd be happy
>>>>>> to shepherd and encourage that process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps others with interests in open and collaborative governance
>>>>>> could take significant roles in editing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>>>>>> Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think any social or political change project can bypass
>>>>>>> altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within and without. This
>>>>>>> being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands playing by some
>>>>>>> rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the P2P ethos, no
>>>>>>> research project can or should be exclusive to academic researchers. In my
>>>>>>> view, the new group should also be able to assist non-academic researchers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts, that would serve as the
>>>>>>> 'constitution' of the group, which would specific this,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you be interested in taking the lead in writing this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I applaud this initiative and bravo to those offering the funding.
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lists of  "researchers" meaning people at academic
>>>>>>>> institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model that is less
>>>>>>>> in need of reinforcement than rejection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Research in an academic sense is not p2p, hasn't been, and never
>>>>>>>> will be.  I would not exclude it, I just would feed it by giving it
>>>>>>>> additional free assets of prestige and focus without their earning those
>>>>>>>> resources in open (truly open) communities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     I´m extremely happy to announce this initiative, which will
>>>>>>>>> enable people interested in p2p dynamics to more easily appeal for research
>>>>>>>>> funding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> B  elow is a short announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please
>>>>>>>>> ask for the document that she is referring to in her email listed below. If
>>>>>>>>> you are involved with research, academic or not, please let us know and do
>>>>>>>>> forward this message to other networks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have no access to the attached document, please request one
>>>>>>>>> from Athina via email
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Text:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration
>>>>>>>>> with the University of Hull <http://www.hull.ac.uk/>are creating a
>>>>>>>>> P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a physical base in Hull, in order to initiate
>>>>>>>>> a material equivalent to the various virtual networks we are all part of.
>>>>>>>>> Some of the goals of the group are to attract funding to improve already
>>>>>>>>> existent infrastructures, create more material and immaterial networks and
>>>>>>>>> hubs and capture funding for research, conferences and workshops. A
>>>>>>>>> conference scheduled for November will also produce a direct and transparent
>>>>>>>>> steering committee to oversee the various activities of the group.
>>>>>>>>> Therefore, it would be particularly helpful, if everyone, who is interested
>>>>>>>>> in participating, fills as much information as they can, in the document
>>>>>>>>> attached, and email it to Athina<http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>at
>>>>>>>>> athina.k at gmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> see and forward doc attached (please edit doc michel as you see
>>>>>>>>> fit)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> athina
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html -
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Volunteering at the P2P Foundation:
>>>>>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net -
>>>>>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Monitor updates at http://del.icio.us/mbauwens
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> http://www.shiftn.com/
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
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