[p2p-research] [p2p energy economy] Re: Snowdrift Game vs Prisoner's Dilemma

[Ryan Lanham]

Hi Marc,

Interesting game show link on the prisoner's dilemma.  What  would a similar
case be showing a snowdrift game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Uos2fzIJ0

Ryan Lanham



On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:40 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Still reading up on it and thinking about it. The work I'm reviewing is
> pretty intense in its implication so I'm taking the time to really
> understand it and make sure there are no flaws in the researchers'
> assumptions.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Marc,
>>
>> I'm very interested,
>>
>> could you write it in such a way that it's a two-part contribution to our
>> wiki, which I can then publish on the blog as well,
>>
>> the file would be called Snowdrift Game (
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Snowdrift_Game)
>>
>> and would
>>
>> 1) first contain a description
>>
>> 2) under 'discussion', argue the point you are making below,
>>
>> 3) under 'more information' , your references,
>>
>> thanks Marc,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Excerpted from another email
>>>
>>> "The term "snowdrift game" is a model in evolutionary game theory that
>>> explains how cooperation is evolutionarily advantageous (contrary to the
>>> classical interpretation of the survivalist model) but only in meshes
>>> (according to the latest work done in this field) while it fails  in
>>> hierarchies (i.e. leads to the extinction of those who provide unpaid
>>> cooperation) ... It turns out the other model called the Prisoner's Dilemma
>>> is optimal in hierarchies but it is a classical survivalist model."
>>>
>>> I want to put the "snowdrift game + mesh WORKS_BETTER_THAN prisoner's
>>> dilemma + hierarchy" game theory meme out there, and my belief is that
>>> "renewable hierarchies" (which i had described as being similar to, e.g. US
>>> Congress, EU Parliament, etc) operate more like a mesh from a game
>>> theoretical perspective because they could theoretically lead to well-mixed
>>> population in the production organization (as workers are replaced
>>> frequently) but now I realize that in order to get a well-mixed population
>>> the hierarchy has to be as flat as possible from the management and
>>> organizational views (without losing coordination) to minimize hierarchical
>>> interactions and maximize mesh interaction and the renewal of workers in the
>>> production hierarchy has to happen as frequently as possible... (I realized
>>> this requires a graphical simulation to show clearly.)
>>>
>>> I can supply more references and explanations if anyone is interested.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
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