[p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group

Ryan Lanham rlanham1963 at gmail.com
Sat Apr 18 23:49:44 CEST 2009 

I'll take a shot at compiling  something coherent from the wiki parts that
appear relevant.

Ryan

Ryan Lanham



On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:53 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> In other words, we don't have to start completely from scratch. There is a
> lot on the wiki already in individual works as far as models and frameworks.
> And then there is the stuff Michel pasted in this thread.
>
> The agile process normally starts with a very rough input and then iterates
> through feedback, exploring paths and making evolutionary leaps
> (breakthroughs)... It maintains stability over the long range of the vision
> (the final goal) by being open to instability in the short range of the
> vision (the objectives)
>
> And all  input can happen at once in a very messy way at start and during
> times of change (the calm before the storm, the storm, and the fertile
> aftermath, all must be witnessed for a system to evolve naturally)
>
> my 2.222 cents
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Like I said in reply to Michel, which seems to have gone unnoticed for
>> some reason, there are individual author pages on the P2P Foundation wiki
>> each of which has it's own flavor of P2P theory (including Michel's own
>> writing on P2P theory) and each of which have a set of goals/propositions.
>>
>> If you take the goals from all those individual works and combine them
>> with the cut&paste Michel put in his reply somewhere in this thread (it says
>> "Appendix" in the title of the paste) then you will have the set of
>> collective goals for the P2P Foundation. They can be split into Theory
>> Propositions and Actionable Goals and then they can be narrowed down to an
>> official P2P Foundation position after collective agreement.
>>
>> The wiki is only one way to achieve the above. This discussion list is
>> another way. Online chat (with logs) is yet another way. It's all just
>> collaborative expression.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Athina.  I will do what you say.
>>>
>>>  I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been an
>>> employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities.  It would
>>> be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about  higher ed.
>>>
>>> There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best
>>> practices in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will
>>> post a link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at
>>> building stockpiles on de.licio.us.
>>>
>>> Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method, or
>>> tools besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time goes
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can imagine the
>>> risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.
>>>
>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
>>> athina.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ryan
>>>>
>>>> I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of your previous
>>>> emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is interested in
>>>> supporting this effort (i have kept  chasing them around for the past 2
>>>> years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of excluding non
>>>> academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I recognize as
>>>> valid.
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend any sort of
>>>> effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally and my work
>>>> more generally will know were my political loyalties have been and will
>>>> continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not with
>>>> hierarchies.
>>>>
>>>> Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take initiatives
>>>> they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither does what
>>>> happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say that this
>>>> is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different logic and
>>>> how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has a peer
>>>> logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like you can
>>>> the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a first
>>>> time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of governance
>>>> structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some funding
>>>> going.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Athina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Michel,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.  A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather than one drafter,
>>>>> I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative and perhaps an
>>>>> open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur.  I'd be happy
>>>>> to shepherd and encourage that process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps others with interests in open and collaborative governance
>>>>> could take significant roles in editing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>>>>> Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think any social or political change project can bypass
>>>>>> altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within and without. This
>>>>>> being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands playing by some
>>>>>> rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the P2P ethos, no
>>>>>> research project can or should be exclusive to academic researchers. In my
>>>>>> view, the new group should also be able to assist non-academic researchers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts, that would serve as the
>>>>>> 'constitution' of the group, which would specific this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you be interested in taking the lead in writing this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I applaud this initiative and bravo to those offering the funding.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, lists of  "researchers" meaning people at academic
>>>>>>> institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model that is less
>>>>>>> in need of reinforcement than rejection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Research in an academic sense is not p2p, hasn't been, and never will
>>>>>>> be.  I would not exclude it, I just would feed it by giving it additional
>>>>>>> free assets of prestige and focus without their earning those resources in
>>>>>>> open (truly open) communities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     I´m extremely happy to announce this initiative, which will
>>>>>>>> enable people interested in p2p dynamics to more easily appeal for research
>>>>>>>> funding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B  elow is a short announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please
>>>>>>>> ask for the document that she is referring to in her email listed below. If
>>>>>>>> you are involved with research, academic or not, please let us know and do
>>>>>>>> forward this message to other networks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have no access to the attached document, please request one
>>>>>>>> from Athina via email
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Text:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration
>>>>>>>> with the University of Hull <http://www.hull.ac.uk/>are creating a
>>>>>>>> P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a physical base in Hull, in order to initiate
>>>>>>>> a material equivalent to the various virtual networks we are all part of.
>>>>>>>> Some of the goals of the group are to attract funding to improve already
>>>>>>>> existent infrastructures, create more material and immaterial networks and
>>>>>>>> hubs and capture funding for research, conferences and workshops. A
>>>>>>>> conference scheduled for November will also produce a direct and transparent
>>>>>>>> steering committee to oversee the various activities of the group.
>>>>>>>> Therefore, it would be particularly helpful, if everyone, who is interested
>>>>>>>> in participating, fills as much information as they can, in the document
>>>>>>>> attached, and email it to Athina<http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>at
>>>>>>>> athina.k at gmail.com"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see and forward doc attached (please edit doc michel as you see fit)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> athina
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>> The University of Hull
>>>> United Kingdom
>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>
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