[p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group

marc fawzi marc.fawzi at gmail.com
Sat Apr 18 22:53:49 CEST 2009 

In other words, we don't have to start completely from scratch. There is a
lot on the wiki already in individual works as far as models and frameworks.
And then there is the stuff Michel pasted in this thread.

The agile process normally starts with a very rough input and then iterates
through feedback, exploring paths and making evolutionary leaps
(breakthroughs)... It maintains stability over the long range of the vision
(the final goal) by being open to instability in the short range of the
vision (the objectives)

And all  input can happen at once in a very messy way at start and during
times of change (the calm before the storm, the storm, and the fertile
aftermath, all must be witnessed for a system to evolve naturally)

my 2.222 cents

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Like I said in reply to Michel, which seems to have gone unnoticed for some
> reason, there are individual author pages on the P2P Foundation wiki each of
> which has it's own flavor of P2P theory (including Michel's own writing on
> P2P theory) and each of which have a set of goals/propositions.
>
> If you take the goals from all those individual works and combine them with
> the cut&paste Michel put in his reply somewhere in this thread (it says
> "Appendix" in the title of the paste) then you will have the set of
> collective goals for the P2P Foundation. They can be split into Theory
> Propositions and Actionable Goals and then they can be narrowed down to an
> official P2P Foundation position after collective agreement.
>
> The wiki is only one way to achieve the above. This discussion list is
> another way. Online chat (with logs) is yet another way. It's all just
> collaborative expression.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Athina.  I will do what you say.
>>
>>  I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been an
>> employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities.  It would
>> be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about  higher ed.
>>
>> There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best practices
>> in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will post a
>> link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at building
>> stockpiles on de.licio.us.
>>
>> Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method, or
>> tools besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time goes
>> forward.
>>
>> I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can imagine the
>> risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.
>>
>> Ryan Lanham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <athina.k at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ryan
>>>
>>> I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative.
>>>
>>> I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of your previous
>>> emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is interested in
>>> supporting this effort (i have kept  chasing them around for the past 2
>>> years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of excluding non
>>> academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I recognize as
>>> valid.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend any sort of
>>> effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally and my work
>>> more generally will know were my political loyalties have been and will
>>> continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not with
>>> hierarchies.
>>>
>>> Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take initiatives
>>> they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither does what
>>> happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say that this
>>> is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different logic and
>>> how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has a peer
>>> logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like you can
>>> the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a first
>>> time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of governance
>>> structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some funding
>>> going.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Athina
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michel,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.  A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather than one drafter,
>>>> I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative and perhaps an
>>>> open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur.  I'd be happy
>>>> to shepherd and encourage that process.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps others with interests in open and collaborative governance could
>>>> take significant roles in editing.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>>>> Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think any social or political change project can bypass
>>>>> altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within and without. This
>>>>> being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands playing by some
>>>>> rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the P2P ethos, no
>>>>> research project can or should be exclusive to academic researchers. In my
>>>>> view, the new group should also be able to assist non-academic researchers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts, that would serve as the
>>>>> 'constitution' of the group, which would specific this,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you be interested in taking the lead in writing this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I applaud this initiative and bravo to those offering the funding.  On
>>>>>> the other hand, lists of  "researchers" meaning people at academic
>>>>>> institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model that is less
>>>>>> in need of reinforcement than rejection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Research in an academic sense is not p2p, hasn't been, and never will
>>>>>> be.  I would not exclude it, I just would feed it by giving it additional
>>>>>> free assets of prestige and focus without their earning those resources in
>>>>>> open (truly open) communities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I´m extremely happy to announce this initiative, which will
>>>>>>> enable people interested in p2p dynamics to more easily appeal for research
>>>>>>> funding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B  elow is a short announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please ask
>>>>>>> for the document that she is referring to in her email listed below. If you
>>>>>>> are involved with research, academic or not, please let us know and do
>>>>>>> forward this message to other networks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have no access to the attached document, please request one
>>>>>>> from Athina via email
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Text:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration
>>>>>>> with the University of Hull <http://www.hull.ac.uk/>are creating a
>>>>>>> P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a physical base in Hull, in order to initiate
>>>>>>> a material equivalent to the various virtual networks we are all part of.
>>>>>>> Some of the goals of the group are to attract funding to improve already
>>>>>>> existent infrastructures, create more material and immaterial networks and
>>>>>>> hubs and capture funding for research, conferences and workshops. A
>>>>>>> conference scheduled for November will also produce a direct and transparent
>>>>>>> steering committee to oversee the various activities of the group.
>>>>>>> Therefore, it would be particularly helpful, if everyone, who is interested
>>>>>>> in participating, fills as much information as they can, in the document
>>>>>>> attached, and email it to Athina<http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>at
>>>>>>> athina.k at gmail.com"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see and forward doc attached (please edit doc michel as you see fit)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> athina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html -
>>>>>>> http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Volunteering at the P2P Foundation:
>>>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net -
>>>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monitor updates at http://del.icio.us/mbauwens
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> http://www.shiftn.com/
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
>>>>>
>>>>> Volunteering at the P2P Foundation:
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>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>> The University of Hull
>>> United Kingdom
>>> HU6 7RX
>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>
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