[p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group

Sat Apr 18 21:23:12 CEST 2009

Thanks, Athina.  I will do what you say.

 I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been an
employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities.  It would
be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about  higher ed.

There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best practices
in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will post a
link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at building
stockpiles on de.licio.us.

Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method, or tools
besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time goes
forward.

I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can imagine the
risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.

Ryan Lanham

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <athina.k at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Ryan
>
> I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative.
>
> I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of your previous
> emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is interested in
> supporting this effort (i have kept  chasing them around for the past 2
> years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of excluding non
> academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I recognize as
> valid.
>
> Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend any sort of
> effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally and my work
> more generally will know were my political loyalties have been and will
> continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not with
> hierarchies.
>
> Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take initiatives
> they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither does what
> happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say that this
> is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different logic and
> how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has a peer
> logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like you can
> the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a first
> time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of governance
> structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some funding
> going.
>
> Cheers
>
> Athina
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Michel,
>>
>> Thanks.  A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather than one drafter,
>> I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative and perhaps an
>> open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur.  I'd be happy
>> to shepherd and encourage that process.
>>
>> Perhaps others with interests in open and collaborative governance could
>> take significant roles in editing.
>>
>> Ryan Lanham
>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>> Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>
>>> I don't think any social or political change project can bypass
>>> altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within and without. This
>>> being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands playing by some
>>> rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the P2P ethos, no
>>> research project can or should be exclusive to academic researchers. In my
>>> view, the new group should also be able to assist non-academic researchers.
>>>
>>> Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts, that would serve as the
>>> 'constitution' of the group, which would specific this,
>>>
>>> Would you be interested in taking the lead in writing this?
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I applaud this initiative and bravo to those offering the funding.  On
>>>> the other hand, lists of  "researchers" meaning people at academic
>>>> institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model that is less
>>>> in need of reinforcement than rejection.
>>>>
>>>> Research in an academic sense is not p2p, hasn't been, and never will
>>>> be.  I would not exclude it, I just would feed it by giving it additional
>>>> free assets of prestige and focus without their earning those resources in
>>>> open (truly open) communities.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     I´m extremely happy to announce this initiative, which will enable
>>>>> people interested in p2p dynamics to more easily appeal for research
>>>>> funding.
>>>>>
>>>>> B  elow is a short announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please ask
>>>>> for the document that she is referring to in her email listed below. If you
>>>>> are involved with research, academic or not, please let us know and do
>>>>> forward this message to other networks.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have no access to the attached document, please request one from
>>>>> Athina via email
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel Bauwens
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Text:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration with
>>>>> the University of Hull <http://www.hull.ac.uk/>are creating a
>>>>> P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a physical base in Hull, in order to initiate
>>>>> a material equivalent to the various virtual networks we are all part of.
>>>>> Some of the goals of the group are to attract funding to improve already
>>>>> existent infrastructures, create more material and immaterial networks and
>>>>> hubs and capture funding for research, conferences and workshops. A
>>>>> conference scheduled for November will also produce a direct and transparent
>>>>> steering committee to oversee the various activities of the group.
>>>>> Therefore, it would be particularly helpful, if everyone, who is interested
>>>>> in participating, fills as much information as they can, in the document
>>>>> attached, and email it to Athina<http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>at
>>>>> athina.k at gmail.com"
>>>>>
>>>>> see and forward doc attached (please edit doc michel as you see fit)
>>>>>
>>>>> athina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
>>>>> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
>>>>> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
>>>>> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
>>>>> The University of Hull
>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>> HU6 7RX
>>>>> T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
>>>>> F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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> Dr Athina Karatzogianni
> Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
> The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
> The University of Hull
> United Kingdom
> HU6 7RX
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