[p2p-research] [p2p energy economy] Re: Fwd: Follow up

[marc fawzi]

The idea of the Affinity Matrix in the P2P Energy Economy allows peers to
set policy objectives collectively so it's not decided centrally. There are
pros and cons to both schemes.

At this time I feel myself drawn more to think about the philosophical
underpinnings and the organizational mechanics which both need a great deal
of improvement/refinement.

But I did think about what you suggest from your earlier post on this
scheme... It seems fine to me with some minor tweaks... but it's a
top-down/centralized approach compared to the Affinity Matrix which allows
setting of policy objectives by peers, collectively, rather than by the city
or state.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marc:
>
> This may seem a bit governmental, but I'd argue the key to your system is
> the policy objective a given currency wishes to optimize--set through some
> collaborative governance mechanism or by a representative group (e.g. a
> chamber of commerce or a community foundation).
>
> Use arbitrage between currencies allow different "pots" of money to
> reallocate.  In a prison, cigarettes might be used to buy services, and cans
> of mackeral used to buy goods, but you can have a market between mack and
> cigs.
>
> In other words, think of a rainbow of color currencies.  Orange is for
> this, blue is for that.  If you want blue to optimize efficient production
> of non-carbon energy, price it in energy units accordingly.  Let market
> mechanisms reallocate with possible REGULATORY governance actions that can
> intervene to change supply/demand in arbitrage options.
>
> There is a tendency for people to dislike markets because of some of their
> failings.  That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  The key to a
> polyarchic currency system, I believe, is to allow rapid creation of policy
> objectives (new colors) combined with rapid introduction of market-based
> arbitrage between colors.  Use limited numbers of price-settings in auctions
> to reduce speculative games.  In other words, the rate set between orange
> and blue may only be set twice a day, etc.
>
> Who sets?  The high bidder, up to some limit...then the next highest
> bidder, and so forth.
>
> The key is allowance of persistent coupon systems matching policy aims
> (like a bond market really, but more liquid and fungible).  In current
> worlds, that aim (the policy objective of a currency) is the growth of a
> given currency economy or allowance of government actions that can use
> currency devaluation to achieve some governmental policy objective (e.g.
> short term consumption against long-term pain.)
>
> Ryan Lanham
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just sharing some notes on the current problems in the P2P Energy Economy
>> model
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM
>> Subject: Follow up
>> To: James Edwards <bluecollargreenie at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> I'm sorry to have dropped the ball on our discussion re: energy flow based
>> currency...
>>
>> I went to Arizona where we had no Internet and learned all about solar
>> power
>>
>> Then I became homeless for a while, lost my girlfriend, etc
>>
>> And now I'm back to work thanks to a sudden and unexpected turn of events
>>
>> The problems with the P2P Energy Economy as of v3.00.00 boil down to this:
>>
>> Issue 1:
>>
>> "it's hard to see how individual energy producers would have any
>> substantial surplus if they had tiny solar generators and it's even harder
>> to see how there could be a flow of energy from peers with surplus to peers
>> with deficit if everyone had a surplus. This is the basic and universal
>> issue (or two issues,) IMO. For each given type of product (e.g. energy,
>> milk, cars, etc) we can't have everyone be a producer because the "flow of
>> energy" is the "economy of life" and without a deficit on one side and a
>> surplus on the other there is no flow (or movement) of energy (and no flow
>> of energy equal no life, literally.)
>>
>> So in order to have both the maximum surplus of the thing being produced
>> and the maximum flow of that thing from the surplus side to the deficit
>> side, the production tends towards centralization (within each geographic or
>> virtual market)"
>>
>> Issue 2:
>>
>> The very act of paying someone (for a non-scarce resource) and expecting
>> some service back creates a master-slave (or more mildly a 'customer-server'
>> relationship) relationship... and this is a type of hierarchy basically. I'm
>> having an issue with the idea of a hierarchy even though it's established in
>> nature and even if we use the kind of renewable hierarchies that I describe
>> (in passing) in the P2P Energy Economy. I'm studying two game theoretical
>> models, the Prisoners Dilemma game and the Snowdrift (or Hawk-Dove) game in
>> the context of hierarchies, latices with limited set of neighbor-to-neighbor
>> interactions per element and networks with random interactions. I haven't
>> had enough time with all that has been happening to produce any insight as
>> far as the best type of system from a moral and evolutionary perspective but
>> I know the P2P Energy Economy sections concerned with organization are
>> lacking.
>>
>> If you have anything to share on your end, as far as your work goes,
>> please feel free to do so.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Marc Fawzi
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>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcfawzi
>>
>>
>>
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