[p2p-research] 3 Quarks: Inequality the root of all evil?

[Michel Bauwens]

thanks Marc,

sorry that I cannot engage more than with telegram style until the 16th,

Michel


On 4/14/09, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm interested in systems that afford "equal empowerment,"
> "resilience," (and even "resistance to negative behavior") and
> "cooperation." In other words, I'm interested in the design of "just"
> (or fair) systems but I recognize that it's highly driven by what I
> think is just and fair.
>
> I believe it's important to allow for differences to emerge out of a
> common substrate, but in a way that is not unfair.
>
> I also question whether or not the concept of justice would even exist
> if there was no injustice.
>
> In other words, the rise of justice comes after injustice has been
> committed, or else you wouldn't recognize justice as justice. It would
> not be felt if it was a constant.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Michel Bauwens
> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > equality is more than equal empowerment, it is also concerned about the
> > results of that empowerment, i.e. in social justice,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> > On 4/14/09, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Also, I want 'equal empowerment' but that is like saying I want a
> >> level playing field, not 'equality' per say
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > well, if everyone was equal socially speaking then you won't see any
> >> > 'social gradient' and I'm saying that's what gives life it's color and
> >> > flavor
> >> >
> >> > I agree, however, that injustice is injustice and need to be
> eliminated
> >> >
> >> > In other words, I differentiate between justice and equality
> >> >
> >> > I want social justice like the next guy but I'm not ready to affix the
> >> > term 'equality' to such end goal.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe because I'm an engineer and 'equality' means something totally
> >> > different to me than to a social thinker?
> >> >
> >> > I think that might be it!
> >> >
> >> > Marc
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Michel Bauwens
> >> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> seems you equate equality with sameness ... while it means the
> opposite
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> that differences do not merit large social inequality ...
> >> >>
> >> >> Michel
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 4/13/09, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Well, if equality was the unifying principle in some idea world then
> >> >>> such a world would lack the color, flavor and complexity that make
> >> >>> life what it is.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In other words, if everything was equal in every way then there is
> >> >>> nothing to feel, see or think about.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The reason "difference" exists is so that there can be something
> >> >>> rather than nothing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> :D
> >> >>> Marc
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com
> >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> > A link to a Guardian review of a new social theory book:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2009/04/a-theory-of-everything-well-of-a-different-kind.html
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Ryan Lanham
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
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