[p2p-research] (almost) Gone to Croatan

Wed Sep 24 06:39:57 CEST 2008

I think it what is required is a balance between individual and collective,
otherwise it is  just one more market ...

In the system I imagine, people who are not part of the collective can still
donate freely to individual projects ..., but the people in the community
accept some constraints because of the common objective of creating viable
p2p infrastructures ...

Michel

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Josef Davies-Coates <
josef at uniteddiversity.com> wrote:

> In my "dream" system individuals members decide for themselves where their
> money goes, including what percentage of what they put in the pot goes
> where.
>
>
> 2008/9/24 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>
> Sam,
>>
>> if you recall, my proposal was roughly:
>>
>> - 40% in the revolving pool
>>
>> - 40% to the most voted upon proposals
>>
>> - 15% long term investment
>>
>> - 5% for the people working on the software and management of the pool
>> itself
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> So far, for decision making, I have employed Advanced Polling module,
>>> with the http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Consensus_Polling method. It works
>>> well, for sure. Consensus Polling is flexible enough to work in many
>>> different collective decision making scenarios.
>>>
>>> I will set up a new version of this, which also had e-commerce tools
>>> working for the money pooling aspect (I will probably hold off on re-setting
>>> up money collection just yet, as so much has changed about Drupal's
>>> ecommerce tools that I'll need to make some changes before redeploying that)
>>>
>>> But, we could experiment for a week or two with fake currency, because
>>> the important part is the decision making process, and getting that right as
>>> Joseph mentioned
>>>
>>> The resource pool that I was setting up, per Michel's idea, was to have a
>>> decision making space for collectively donating a percentage of the money
>>> collected, and a decision making space for collectively *investing* towards
>>> a for-profit return (investing club) part of it. Michel also wanted to give
>>> part of it to each member in turn on a rotating basis. I can't recall the
>>> percentages he came up with. What do you think about that idea?
>>>
>>> Or, we could just go with the first 2 (donate and invest). How can this
>>> work with consensus pooling? A proposal is posted that is also a consensus
>>> poll. The poll is timed, and the person who starts the poll is tasked with
>>> helping to work the "not yet" votes into the dynamic plan. Once enough votes
>>> are switched to "yes" (maybe 80%) it becomes a "static contract", and the
>>> proposal is funded (whether as donation or investment).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Josef Davies-Coates <
>>> josef at uniteddiversity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Very quick response:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for positive responses :-D
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I think the main thing will a decision making platform of sorts so
>>>> that people can nicely decide (together, but with their own personal
>>>> preferences) when money should go.
>>>>
>>>> Is there somewhere I can have a play with the drupal stuff you've got
>>>> already?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Josef.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2008/9/23 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> A quick reply to one part:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph, I will follow your lead, too. Maybe you can talk about details,
>>>>> as I have fallen behind on keeping track of your progress. Do you need
>>>>> software, help, what do you need to get collaboration around resource
>>>>> pooling going online? I have some workable code done in Drupal that could be
>>>>> used if needed...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sam, Paul, Josef,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for  thinking this through and for your proposals ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) I'm definitely interested in money/resource pooling, but would
>>>>>> rather follow a lead in this. If Josef takes the lead, we can support him in
>>>>>> the ways he requires ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) merging of movements ... Again, I'm interested and have put forward
>>>>>> some proposals in that sense. But you have to take into account both ego and
>>>>>> branding, and 'visions'. Ego: people are invested in their projects; Brand:
>>>>>> online brands, even if they at presently fail to generate much return, have
>>>>>> value as well. What I'm saying is that I would be really reluctant to give
>>>>>> up the 'brand' of p2p foundation. Visions: p2pfoundation and cooperation
>>>>>> commons are related, but also different, their purpose is not the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, how would you create a higher entity, especially if you do not
>>>>>> have any financial means to begin with. What would the purpose be of such a
>>>>>> higher entity. Research (coop comm), political change (p2p found) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm interested in creating a explicitely political movement, dedicated
>>>>>> to bringing about a p2p society. Such an entity could then have a research
>>>>>> wing (coop comm and p2p found wiki), a political wing, a funding entity,
>>>>>> etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you simply want to intermesh research, I think the solution is
>>>>>> technical, i.e. the ability to easily cross-reference ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One more thing, as an individual, I'm most interested in continuing to
>>>>>> act as a librarian, and as a political theorist; any proposal which allows
>>>>>> me to do this in a broader entity, with more means, I'm game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josef: do you remember our prior discussion about merging UD and p2p
>>>>>> ... what about it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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