[p2p-research] (almost) Gone to Croatan

Wed Sep 24 05:57:16 CEST 2008

In my "dream" system individuals members decide for themselves where their
money goes, including what percentage of what they put in the pot goes
where.

2008/9/24 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>

> Sam,
>
> if you recall, my proposal was roughly:
>
> - 40% in the revolving pool
>
> - 40% to the most voted upon proposals
>
> - 15% long term investment
>
> - 5% for the people working on the software and management of the pool
> itself
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> So far, for decision making, I have employed Advanced Polling module, with
>> the http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Consensus_Polling method. It works well,
>> for sure. Consensus Polling is flexible enough to work in many different
>> collective decision making scenarios.
>>
>> I will set up a new version of this, which also had e-commerce tools
>> working for the money pooling aspect (I will probably hold off on re-setting
>> up money collection just yet, as so much has changed about Drupal's
>> ecommerce tools that I'll need to make some changes before redeploying that)
>>
>> But, we could experiment for a week or two with fake currency, because the
>> important part is the decision making process, and getting that right as
>> Joseph mentioned
>>
>> The resource pool that I was setting up, per Michel's idea, was to have a
>> decision making space for collectively donating a percentage of the money
>> collected, and a decision making space for collectively *investing* towards
>> a for-profit return (investing club) part of it. Michel also wanted to give
>> part of it to each member in turn on a rotating basis. I can't recall the
>> percentages he came up with. What do you think about that idea?
>>
>> Or, we could just go with the first 2 (donate and invest). How can this
>> work with consensus pooling? A proposal is posted that is also a consensus
>> poll. The poll is timed, and the person who starts the poll is tasked with
>> helping to work the "not yet" votes into the dynamic plan. Once enough votes
>> are switched to "yes" (maybe 80%) it becomes a "static contract", and the
>> proposal is funded (whether as donation or investment).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Josef Davies-Coates <
>> josef at uniteddiversity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Very quick response:
>>>
>>> Thanks for positive responses :-D
>>>
>>> Yes, I think the main thing will a decision making platform of sorts so
>>> that people can nicely decide (together, but with their own personal
>>> preferences) when money should go.
>>>
>>> Is there somewhere I can have a play with the drupal stuff you've got
>>> already?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Josef.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/9/23 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> A quick reply to one part:
>>>>
>>>> Joseph, I will follow your lead, too. Maybe you can talk about details,
>>>> as I have fallen behind on keeping track of your progress. Do you need
>>>> software, help, what do you need to get collaboration around resource
>>>> pooling going online? I have some workable code done in Drupal that could be
>>>> used if needed...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sam, Paul, Josef,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for  thinking this through and for your proposals ...
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) I'm definitely interested in money/resource pooling, but would
>>>>> rather follow a lead in this. If Josef takes the lead, we can support him in
>>>>> the ways he requires ...
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) merging of movements ... Again, I'm interested and have put forward
>>>>> some proposals in that sense. But you have to take into account both ego and
>>>>> branding, and 'visions'. Ego: people are invested in their projects; Brand:
>>>>> online brands, even if they at presently fail to generate much return, have
>>>>> value as well. What I'm saying is that I would be really reluctant to give
>>>>> up the 'brand' of p2p foundation. Visions: p2pfoundation and cooperation
>>>>> commons are related, but also different, their purpose is not the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, how would you create a higher entity, especially if you do not have
>>>>> any financial means to begin with. What would the purpose be of such a
>>>>> higher entity. Research (coop comm), political change (p2p found) ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm interested in creating a explicitely political movement, dedicated
>>>>> to bringing about a p2p society. Such an entity could then have a research
>>>>> wing (coop comm and p2p found wiki), a political wing, a funding entity,
>>>>> etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you simply want to intermesh research, I think the solution is
>>>>> technical, i.e. the ability to easily cross-reference ...
>>>>>
>>>>> One more thing, as an individual, I'm most interested in continuing to
>>>>> act as a librarian, and as a political theorist; any proposal which allows
>>>>> me to do this in a broader entity, with more means, I'm game.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josef: do you remember our prior discussion about merging UD and p2p
>>>>> ... what about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://uniteddiversity.com
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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