[p2p-research] (almost) Gone to Croatan

Wed Sep 24 05:46:28 CEST 2008

Sam,

if you recall, my proposal was roughly:

- 40% in the revolving pool

- 40% to the most voted upon proposals

- 15% long term investment

- 5% for the people working on the software and management of the pool
itself

Michel

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> So far, for decision making, I have employed Advanced Polling module, with
> the http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Consensus_Polling method. It works well,
> for sure. Consensus Polling is flexible enough to work in many different
> collective decision making scenarios.
>
> I will set up a new version of this, which also had e-commerce tools
> working for the money pooling aspect (I will probably hold off on re-setting
> up money collection just yet, as so much has changed about Drupal's
> ecommerce tools that I'll need to make some changes before redeploying that)
>
> But, we could experiment for a week or two with fake currency, because the
> important part is the decision making process, and getting that right as
> Joseph mentioned
>
> The resource pool that I was setting up, per Michel's idea, was to have a
> decision making space for collectively donating a percentage of the money
> collected, and a decision making space for collectively *investing* towards
> a for-profit return (investing club) part of it. Michel also wanted to give
> part of it to each member in turn on a rotating basis. I can't recall the
> percentages he came up with. What do you think about that idea?
>
> Or, we could just go with the first 2 (donate and invest). How can this
> work with consensus pooling? A proposal is posted that is also a consensus
> poll. The poll is timed, and the person who starts the poll is tasked with
> helping to work the "not yet" votes into the dynamic plan. Once enough votes
> are switched to "yes" (maybe 80%) it becomes a "static contract", and the
> proposal is funded (whether as donation or investment).
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Josef Davies-Coates <
> josef at uniteddiversity.com> wrote:
>
>> Very quick response:
>>
>> Thanks for positive responses :-D
>>
>> Yes, I think the main thing will a decision making platform of sorts so
>> that people can nicely decide (together, but with their own personal
>> preferences) when money should go.
>>
>> Is there somewhere I can have a play with the drupal stuff you've got
>> already?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Josef.
>>
>>
>> 2008/9/23 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>
>> A quick reply to one part:
>>>
>>> Joseph, I will follow your lead, too. Maybe you can talk about details,
>>> as I have fallen behind on keeping track of your progress. Do you need
>>> software, help, what do you need to get collaboration around resource
>>> pooling going online? I have some workable code done in Drupal that could be
>>> used if needed...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sam, Paul, Josef,
>>>>
>>>> thanks for  thinking this through and for your proposals ...
>>>>
>>>> 1) I'm definitely interested in money/resource pooling, but would rather
>>>> follow a lead in this. If Josef takes the lead, we can support him in the
>>>> ways he requires ...
>>>>
>>>> 2) merging of movements ... Again, I'm interested and have put forward
>>>> some proposals in that sense. But you have to take into account both ego and
>>>> branding, and 'visions'. Ego: people are invested in their projects; Brand:
>>>> online brands, even if they at presently fail to generate much return, have
>>>> value as well. What I'm saying is that I would be really reluctant to give
>>>> up the 'brand' of p2p foundation. Visions: p2pfoundation and cooperation
>>>> commons are related, but also different, their purpose is not the same.
>>>>
>>>> So, how would you create a higher entity, especially if you do not have
>>>> any financial means to begin with. What would the purpose be of such a
>>>> higher entity. Research (coop comm), political change (p2p found) ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in creating a explicitely political movement, dedicated
>>>> to bringing about a p2p society. Such an entity could then have a research
>>>> wing (coop comm and p2p found wiki), a political wing, a funding entity,
>>>> etc...
>>>>
>>>> If you simply want to intermesh research, I think the solution is
>>>> technical, i.e. the ability to easily cross-reference ...
>>>>
>>>> One more thing, as an individual, I'm most interested in continuing to
>>>> act as a librarian, and as a political theorist; any proposal which allows
>>>> me to do this in a broader entity, with more means, I'm game.
>>>>
>>>> Josef: do you remember our prior discussion about merging UD and p2p ...
>>>> what about it?
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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