[p2p-research] (almost) Gone to Croatan

Tue Sep 23 13:16:05 CEST 2008

Hi Sam, Paul, Josef,

thanks for  thinking this through and for your proposals ...

1) I'm definitely interested in money/resource pooling, but would rather
follow a lead in this. If Josef takes the lead, we can support him in the
ways he requires ...

2) merging of movements ... Again, I'm interested and have put forward some
proposals in that sense. But you have to take into account both ego and
branding, and 'visions'. Ego: people are invested in their projects; Brand:
online brands, even if they at presently fail to generate much return, have
value as well. What I'm saying is that I would be really reluctant to give
up the 'brand' of p2p foundation. Visions: p2pfoundation and cooperation
commons are related, but also different, their purpose is not the same.

So, how would you create a higher entity, especially if you do not have any
financial means to begin with. What would the purpose be of such a higher
entity. Research (coop comm), political change (p2p found) ?

I'm interested in creating a explicitely political movement, dedicated to
bringing about a p2p society. Such an entity could then have a research wing
(coop comm and p2p found wiki), a political wing, a funding entity, etc...

If you simply want to intermesh research, I think the solution is technical,
i.e. the ability to easily cross-reference ...

One more thing, as an individual, I'm most interested in continuing to act
as a librarian, and as a political theorist; any proposal which allows me to
do this in a broader entity, with more means, I'm game.

Josef: do you remember our prior discussion about merging UD and p2p ...
what about it?

Michel

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> well, I know Michel was interested in exploring money resource pooling.
>
> Questions:
>
>
>    - What existing building blocks (software, known practices, etc) do we
>    already have to make a large resource pool?
>    - What is missing that we need?
>
> Beyond that, how can we start to think about preserving, merging and
> extending the theoretical work that is out there (panarchy, p2pfoundation,
> cooperation commons) what else is out there that is theoretical/research
> work that shoulld be fostered?
>
> Most importantly of all, what are the end uses of these theories that will
> *fund* their application, and how can we get ourselves into helping that!*
>
> * see
> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/steve_bosserman/2008/02/09/giving_it_away_making_money.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Josef Davies-Coates <
> josef at uniteddiversity.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't have a solution but I have an idea:
>>
>> Turn the p2p foundation into the crowdfund I've been dreaming of! :P
>>
>> My idea is to get people to agree to pool at least 1% of their income into
>> a shared pot and spend 1% of their time working on commons goals. We decide
>> together how best to invest the pooled money (in projects like e.g.
>> http://openfarmtech.org ) and individually choose tasks to work on.
>>
>> Anyone up for helping to take this idea forward?
>>
>> Smiles,
>>
>> Josef.
>>
>>
>> 2008/9/22 Paul B. Hartzog <paulbhartzog at gmail.com>
>>
>>>  On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Perhaps it is time soon to think about how to bring both p2p foundation
>>> and
>>> > cooperation commons back from the "ashes" as something new? I will be
>>> in
>>> > more of a position to think about this in a few months time. The work
>>> is
>>> > critical in my opinion, especially now that people are beginning to try
>>> and
>>> > do this stuff, use it to solve real world problems. We need to make
>>> these
>>> > knowledge bases, network projects and activities more flexible, so that
>>> they
>>> > can change and adapt over time as conditions change (like for instance
>>> that
>>> > it is no longer novel for many people to contribute to a wiki, and so
>>> harder
>>> > to rely on that type of contribution model that worked better only a
>>> few
>>> > years ago) , and to allow people to make a living from them.
>>>
>>> I agree with Sam on this (and would include panarchy.com in the
>>> conversation as well.  More to the point, there are also other players
>>> in these networks.  I we could somehow mobilize broader scale
>>> cooperation, we might cross a critical-mass threshold.  I think one of
>>> the key reasons none of these players HAVE crossed those thresholds is
>>> that they are keeping a sort of "walled garden" based on their own
>>> evolutionary histories etc. (I know I have been guilty of this for
>>> sure).
>>>
>>> I don't have any solutions, but a conversation of some kind is of
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> -p
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> http://www.PaulBHartzog.org
>>> http://www.panarchy.com
>>> PaulBHartzog at PaulBHartzog.org
>>> PaulBHartzog at panarchy.com
>>> PHartzog at umich.edu
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>>>
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