[p2p-research] launch of open manufacturing forum
Michel Bauwens
michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 11 09:49:07 CEST 2008
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nathan Cravens <knuggy at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: A Powerful Conversation
To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
Cc: Chris Watkins <chriswaterguy at appropedia.org>, Dhananjay Gadre <
dvgadre at gmail.com>, Smári McCarthy <spm2 at hi.is>, Helen Titchen Beeth <
helen.titchen.beeth at mac.com>, Georg Pleger <georg at pleger.at>, Vinay Gupta <
hexayurt at gmail.com>, Eric Hunting <erichunting at gmail.com>, Mel Chua <
mel at melchua.com>
Hello,
I formed a group called Open Manufacturing. I look forward to taking part in
the great discussion and debates to come. I thought the name 'Open
Manufacturing' would be more economical than the title Physical Peer-to-Peer
Production, although calling it P4 might be fun. You can send this link to
those you think might find this group of interest:
http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing If other discussion groups
on this topic exist, inform me, I'll join them.
My work in Mutually Assured Production is a more organizational approach to
the topic of Open Manufacturing than a strict detailed engineering scheme. I
think it will take a variety of engineering groups to construct what the
work foresees, so I've decided to make the work general enough so that a
variety of groups can use the material as a reference rather than a step by
step instructional. I will do my best to highlight the most prominent
manufacturing techniques researched and practiced, as I learn about them, to
stimulate further discussion and development.
I don't claim that MAP is the only approach to bringing about the goal of
personally fabricating 'everything'. I do think we'll likely see Industrial
society progress in a similar manner as the phases describe, given
proprietary agencies compete with a variety of forces MAP mentions. The Open
Design Community is proprietary's most challenging competitor, and I think
we all agree it will eventually lose the fight in the long run. A MAP
initiative is to convince other backgrounds of this certainty.
For a briefer on MAP view:
http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Category:MAP#Description_of_the_Project You may
also refer to a fun article I wrote for the Institute for Ethics and
Emerging Technologies titled, 'Mutually Assured Production for Universal
Well Being: A Brief Introductory Discussion' (
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/map2/) To collaborate on writing MAP,
contact me and I'll send you an invite. Once a decent draft is cooked up
I'll have it available as a wiki. I've spent more time reading than writing
lately, I have a great deal of background to develop, especially since
there's a great deal of ground to cover, so it may be sometime before a
draft is written and fully open.
It is the work of self replicating engineering techniques that will create
abundance in manufacturing and the end of markets and other proprietary
agencies they rely on. I'm delighted to have come in contact with those more
interested in the more technical approaches to the subject. I look forward
to learning more in this new field and discussing and debating the finer
details on the Open Manufacturing group.
In Solidarity,
Nathan
On 9/10/08, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> open design is fine, as long as it is not a technical list,
>
> Michel
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Chris Watkins <
> chriswaterguy at appropedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Cool. To clarify - I assume this is separate from open design, which may
>> also warrant a mailing list (or open design can just use the
>> appropedia-community list for now).
>>
>> Smari:
>> I don't mind a mailing list, per se, but if so, can we have
>> a list of people subscribed available somewhere?
>>
>> No problem - Mailman and Google Groups both have this available.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 01:14, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> I think the 'place' of the mailing list is not so important. I just want
>>> to make it a list that crosses the boundaries of our various initiatives,
>>> i.e. appropedia, swadeshi, fablab, p2pf etc...
>>>
>>> It would be a non-technical list for strategic discussions on realisation
>>> social production in the 'material' world ...
>>>
>>> perhaps peerprod at appropedia.org ?
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Chris Watkins <
>>> chriswaterguy at appropedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Strongly agreed, Michel - in fact I've been thinking about this for some
>>>> months, but only recently have had some time to look at setting up lists on
>>>> the Appropedia server. It doesn't have to be on Appropedia (that's up to the
>>>> folks doing the discussing), but if it's about design, it seems a logical
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> If we want to do it as an Appropedia list, I should be able to get that
>>>> happening soon. One of the delays has been that I need to figure out how to
>>>> adjust the footer (as it would be best to have an open license notice in the
>>>> footer.)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 23:42, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> dear friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> we've been having lots of different ad hoc discussions recently ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering, and I recently proposed nathan cravens to launch this,
>>>>> if it would not be useful to create a dedicated mailing list for our peer
>>>>> production / open design related discussion ..
>>>>>
>>>>> any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Dhananjay Gadre <dvgadre at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Smari,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just read the whole thing... Want to tell you that Pabal Fablab had
>>>>>> some visitors who started to make a complete weather station... they
>>>>>> did a lot but its not complete yet... and Yogesh (Pabal Fablab
>>>>>> Director) wants help to take it to a logical conclusion.. would you be
>>>>>> interested in it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Smári McCarthy <spm2 at hi.is> wrote:
>>>>>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>> > Hash: SHA1
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Helen,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > My sentiment exactly. The idea of trading made up concepts for the
>>>>>> > same type of currency as is used to trade things that are scarce
>>>>>> (even
>>>>>> > if, like food in the western world, they are artificially so)
>>>>>> befuddles
>>>>>> > me to no end.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Your question is hard to answer. Originally this package was going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > be designed by some people who haven't. In my irritation I've been
>>>>>> > trying to push this somewhat... I now have rudimentary schematics
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> > such a package that need to be extended, but I don't have the
>>>>>> > electronics knowledge to complete it. (I'm currently reading books
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> > electronics, mechanical measurements and remote sensing in an effort
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > bridge my knowledge). But honestly though, if this thing is going to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> > made, it's going to be made by somebody other than myself. I can
>>>>>> write
>>>>>> > code, but I can't really design the hardware. CC'd are two people
>>>>>> who I
>>>>>> > believe have the ability to do so - Mel and Dhananjay.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > As for what skillset people will require to build the sensor
>>>>>> package,
>>>>>> > I believe anybody with a rudimentary understanding of electronics
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> > access to components, some method of etching the PCB, a soldering
>>>>>> iron,
>>>>>> > a computer, an in-circuit programming cable and 60 minutes of free
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> > should be able to accomplish it. There's at least one in every town.
>>>>>> > Then you'd additionally need a power source and an Internet uplink.
>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>> > and a GPS device handy during installation.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > There are limiting factors in this approach, but perhaps somebody
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> > be able to start selling kits, either baggie style where the chip
>>>>>> > arrives preprogrammed and you just get an etched PCB and all the
>>>>>> > components (the soldering process being DIY), or fully assembled,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> > would obviously cost more.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thought going into getting communities active .. well. Honestly not
>>>>>> > much. I believe that is an avenue where associations of elementary
>>>>>> > school science teachers can come in handy. Elementary schools are
>>>>>> > amongst the most well distributed institutions in the world: they're
>>>>>> > small, financially self-regulating to a large degree, and exist
>>>>>> almost
>>>>>> > everywhere. The GLOBE project hinges on this same factor. (
>>>>>> > http://www.globe.gov/ ).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > So step one is to finish designing and building a test run of the
>>>>>> > sensor package, including the necessary software.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Step two is to distribute a well documented explanation of the how
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> > why online.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Step three is to get science teachers interested. This could
>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>> > be achieved through the GLOBE project. Check this:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://viz.globe.gov/viz-bin/simplechoose.cgi?s=&l=en&b=g&rg=n&enc=00&nav=1&request=22&l_data1=10&data_1=xxatm&FLO=FLS&reqCntry=IS&y1=1995&m1=01&y2=2008&m2=09&FNR=1&FPF=2
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > (I happen to have a class of 14-16 year olds who are slated to
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> > some electronics this semester; if somebody finishes the design, I
>>>>>> shall
>>>>>> > have them build and program one sensor package each.)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Step four is to figure out how the data will be managed - how do we
>>>>>> > test inputs, cull for errors, etc,... what smoothing functions and
>>>>>> > filters do we apply? Do we try to make analysis software? Who's
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>> > step up and maintain such a thing?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Anyway, there's plenty of things to do. Let's do them!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > - Smári
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Helen Titchen Beeth wrote:
>>>>>> >> Thanks for this clear analysis, Smári! I must admit, I'm pretty
>>>>>> clueless
>>>>>> >> about the details of all this, and trading in CO2 quotas always
>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>> >> nonsensical to me - just like physics when I was at school ("But
>>>>>> /why?/"
>>>>>> >> - "It just /is/! Shut up!").
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> So my next question is: how far are we with the free climate
>>>>>> >> distribution package - or whatever - the measurement tools? What
>>>>>> >> knowledge does a local community need to have in order to start
>>>>>> >> measuring its local situation? And what thought has gone into ways
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> >> getting communities to commit to doing this work?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> It's a great conversation!
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> :-)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> h
>>>>>> >> On 07 Sep 2008, at 23:33, Smári McCarthy wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Michel, Helen, thanks for the chain of forwards.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> In my opinion, coming from a scientific background, the first step
>>>>>> >> towards figuring out what to do is figuring out what the current
>>>>>> >> situation is - instrumentation is the important first step.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Within the Fab Lab network there has been a lot of discussion about
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> >> free climate instrumentation package (free as in freedom), the
>>>>>> plans for
>>>>>> >> which should be available online, and the output from which should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> >> contributable into a global distributed database whence anybody
>>>>>> >> interested can retrieve data for mining & analysis.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> As is understood by everybody who thinks in P2P terms, global
>>>>>> issues
>>>>>> >> need to be addressed locally first and foremost. In the grand
>>>>>> scheme of
>>>>>> >> things it's the carbon dioxide/sulphur peroxide/methane/whatever
>>>>>> >> emissions of your local community (radius c.a. 100km) that
>>>>>> individuals
>>>>>> >> can positively affect, and it is also these that it is easiest for
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> >> local individual to measure. So the steps are:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 1. Perform local measurements and share results
>>>>>> >> 2. Compare local results with global results
>>>>>> >> 3. Find patterns and extreme values
>>>>>> >> 4. Trace these to their causes
>>>>>> >> 5. Apply socio-political pressure
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> My diatribe with Cap and Dividend and other such "market based"
>>>>>> schemes
>>>>>> >> is that they fail at the same points as monetary systems, namely
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> you need a central authority ("bank") to enforce artificial
>>>>>> scarcity.
>>>>>> >> There is no (attainable) natural limit to how much one can pollute,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> >> any system putting quotas on pollution will either have to regress
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> >> "stock" gradually or risk inflation.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Pick an arbitrary number, say, one million (why not 1000?!). Then
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> >> that's the quota in tons of CO2 that's available, and can be bought
>>>>>> >> (from who?!). Then allow arbitrary trading (and prices go which
>>>>>> way!?)
>>>>>> >> and allow a natural equilibrium to arise (monopolization of
>>>>>> >> pollution!?). Then try to say, "oh, wait, we're going to reduce the
>>>>>> >> global quota by 2% each year". Nope. Not seeing that happen. [Point
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> >> case: This is more or less how the Icelandic fisheries system
>>>>>> works, or
>>>>>> >> rather, fails to work.]
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Making things into a market is the capitalists solution to
>>>>>> everything,
>>>>>> >> and while indeed it may work to a limited degree in environments
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> >> scarcity is real, in abundant economies the only way to enact such
>>>>>> >> markets is to limit freedoms, which is an awful trade-off and one
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> isn't sustainable. Climate change can not be battled using such
>>>>>> >> simplistic and dim-witted approaches. Sorry, but it just can't.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Rather: Develop methods towards local solutions and then share
>>>>>> >> information globally for synergetic improvement. Develop locally,
>>>>>> emerge
>>>>>> >> globally. It's the only method I can see that makes sense.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>>> >> Smári
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Helen,
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> they've obviously done their homework and already know cap and
>>>>>> >>>>> share/dividend and peter barnes' work (or do you need the info,
>>>>>> I can
>>>>>> >>>>> give the links to those)
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> some I'm thinking of:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> - George Pleger and his link between cap and share and local
>>>>>> currencies
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> - bill st. arnaud's green computing ideas
>>>>>> >>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Green_Computing (more links to his
>>>>>> work via
>>>>>> >>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Ecology)
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I also think they should have a dialogue with the open design
>>>>>> >>>>> communities: http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Design
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> and of course spread the word through worldchanging, boing
>>>>>> boing,
>>>>>> >>>>> disinfo and ourselves,
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Michel
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Helen Titchen Beeth
>>>>>> >>>>> <helen.titchen.beeth at mac.com <mailto:
>>>>>> helen.titchen.beeth at mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Hi Michel, I hope you are well!
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I thought of you as I read this - do you have any pointers?
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> warmly
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> h
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *Chris Chapman <chris.chapman at ireland.com
>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:chris.chapman at ireland.com>
>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:chris.chapman at ireland.com>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> *Date: *Thu 28 Aug 2008 14:09:29 GMT+02:00
>>>>>> >>>>>> *To: *aoh at list.artofhosting.org <mailto:
>>>>>> aoh at list.artofhosting.org>
>>>>>> >>>>>> *Cc: *John Jopling <johnj at thevillage.ie <mailto:
>>>>>> johnj at thevillage.ie>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: **A Powerful Conversation*
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi from Ireland
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I'm involved in just about the most powerful conversation I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> >>>>>> imagine.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> We all know quite a lot about climate change. We all know
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >>>>>> inter-governmental processes move slowly and have no
>>>>>> guarantees of
>>>>>> >>>>>> success. We all know that 'something must be done' to put a
>>>>>> global
>>>>>> >>>>>> enforceable cap on emissions and to create a system with a
>>>>>> definite
>>>>>> >>>>>> bias towards social justice for managing the consequences.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> The breakthrough thought I have witnessed is to break the
>>>>>> link
>>>>>> >>>>>> between 'something must be done' and we must wait for
>>>>>> >>>>>> intergovernmental processes to do it.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> A wonderful model is the history of the founding of the
>>>>>> >>>>>> International Red Cross and the Geneva Convention
>>>>>> >>>>>> (see
>>>>>> >>>>>> '
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Committee_of_the_Red_Cross
>>>>>> '
>>>>>> >>>>>> for
>>>>>> >>>>>> details)
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> - in very simple terms, one person saw something they
>>>>>> >>>>>> didn't like, got together with a few mates, worked out what
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>> >>>>>> to be done and then got governments on board later and
>>>>>> amazing
>>>>>> >>>>>> things were achieved.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> So, that's the powerful conversation 'how to start a
>>>>>> global
>>>>>> >>>>>> citizen-led initiative to set up a mechanism for capping
>>>>>> emissions
>>>>>> >>>>>> and simultaneously redressing social injustices ?'
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> A lot of the high quality thinking has gone into what such a
>>>>>> >>>>>> mechanism might look like (possible schemes like 'Cap and
>>>>>> Share'
>>>>>> >>>>>> and 'Cap and Dividend' and 'Sky Trust' are well developed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> >>>>>> conceptual terms), but there has been little debate about
>>>>>> how might
>>>>>> >>>>>> such things actually happen, other than by lobbying
>>>>>> governments to
>>>>>> >>>>>> sort it
>>>>>> >>>>>> out for the rest of us.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> So, a small group of us in Ireland (centred around a
>>>>>> foundation
>>>>>> >>>>>> called 'Feasta') are investigating what might such a global
>>>>>> >>>>>> citizen-led initiative be like and we were just wondering if
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> >>>>>> out there might know someone else who is thinking in similar
>>>>>> terms
>>>>>> >>>>>> or who would like to join in this powerful conversation ?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> You know the Margaret Mead quotation :
>>>>>> >>>>>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> >>>>>> can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever
>>>>>> has."
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> We are looking to start joining up our small group with
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Help us, :
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> - Who do you know that we should be talking with ? (either
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> >>>>>> they are having similar conversations or because they'd have
>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>> >>>>>> to offer such an initiative ?)
>>>>>> >>>>>> - Who do you know who might be able to offer resources to
>>>>>> help this
>>>>>> >>>>>> work gain momentum ?
>>>>>> >>>>>> - What other models for hosting and growing initiatives
>>>>>> might offer
>>>>>> >>>>>> us further inspiration ?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Please, give this a few moments of your thought and
>>>>>> creativity.
>>>>>> >>>>>> Imagine, citizens not waiting for governments, working out
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> >>>>>> needs to be done and how to do it and making it as easy as
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> >>>>>> for governments to come on board later.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I've attached a flier that is now going out through various
>>>>>> >>>>>> networks with a bit more information.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I would love to hear from you, if this inspires you or if
>>>>>> you think
>>>>>> >>>>>> you might have another part of this jigsaw.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Very best wishes
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> e-mail chris.chapman at ireland.com <mailto:
>>>>>> chris.chapman at ireland.com>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Chapman : Facilitator and Coach
>>>>>> >>>>>> Mobile : 00 (353) 87 243 3691
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> 'The Change Exploratory Ltd'
>>>>>> >>>>>> Specialists in supporting complex change processes
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Registered Office : 6 Fruithill Court, Carlow, Ireland
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> The Change Exploratory Ltd is a limited company registered
>>>>>> in Dublin,
>>>>>> >>>>>> Ireland : Reg No ; 455289
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Directors : Chris Chapman and Mary Germaine
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
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>>>>>> >>>>> Basic essay at http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=499;
>>>>>> interview at
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> http://poynder.blogspot.com/2006/09/p2p-very-core-of-world-to-come.html
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > - --
>>>>>> > Smári McCarthy
>>>>>> > smari at yaxic.org http://smari.yaxic.org
>>>>>> > (+354) 662 2701 - "Technology is about people"
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>>>>>>
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> BEST VIDEO ON P2P:
> http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4549818267592301968&hl=en-AU
>
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alternatives.
Wiki and Encyclopedia, at http://p2pfoundation.net; Blog, at
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net; Newsletter, at
http://integralvisioning.org/index.php?topic=p2p
Basic essay at http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=499; interview at
http://poynder.blogspot.com/2006/09/p2p-very-core-of-world-to-come.html
BEST VIDEO ON P2P:
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4549818267592301968&hl=en-AU
KEEP UP TO DATE through our Delicious tags at http://del.icio.us/mbauwens
The work of the P2P Foundation is supported by SHIFTN,
http://www.shiftn.com/
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