[p2p-research] About vectorialism

Sat Oct 25 14:10:10 CEST 2008

I should take a more detailed look at your thesis for sure, but I´m in the
midst of my travel period ... I´ll print it out to take it with me on the
next trip to the US mid'november, I hope that isn´t too late,

Michel

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 3:33 AM, Hervé Le Crosnier <herve at info.unicaen.fr>wrote:

>
>        Hello Michel,
>
>        Don' t stop at words. My thesis, and the way I use
>        vectors and vectorialism is quite different than
>        the way MacKenzie Wark use it.
>
>        But I fear that even in a net model, at the "age of access",
>        those new intermediaries between producers and readers
>        act like vectors, be it with network effect, experience
>        effect or more and more administrative effect (DMP,
>        Authentification, ... and soon banking).
>
>        It's the new confluence between a media economy model
>        and a toll model.
>
>        Sorry, for now my thesis is only in french, and I have
>        a hard work to do to find good translation terms.
>
>
> Hervé Le Crosnier
>
>
> Michel Bauwens a écrit :
> >
> > Dear Herve,
> >
> > as you know I have a fundamental problem with the vectorial thesis.
> >
> > I've read Wark and his thesis applies to copyrighted mass media, in
> > which two conditions apply: you need a vector to be distributed, and to
> > 'realize' its monetization ..
> >
> > or in my opinion, distributed media undermine both vectoral powers, so
> > we now have netarchical capitalism, proprietary platforms that do not
> > have that vectoral power ... they neither realize the monetization for
> > the producer, nor have a monopoly on the distribution ...
> >
> > Thus, I find the thesis totally erroneous,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Hervé Le Crosnier
> > <herve at info.unicaen.fr <mailto:herve at info.unicaen.fr>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >            Good morning,
> >
> >            During the workshop in Nottingham last year, I present
> >            my research concerning "vectorialism".
> >
> >            By this name, and following Mc Kenzie Wark,
> >            i try to differentiate the new form of global
> >            capital that emerge from the convergence.
> >
> >            I think we have to define it and follow the trail
> >            to imagine new ways for new class conflicts and
> >            new regulation systems in phase with this 21 century
> >            form of captation of value and socio-political domination.
> >
> >            I have a hard time to clarify my position. I wasn't able to
> >            fullfill a good article for the C&C journal...
> >
> >            I just have written now a french paper for a conference
> >            in Paris in November.
> >
> >            If you can read french and give me some remarks, i will
> >            be very pleased.
> >
> >            After is the english summary, an attached is the full text.
> >            ... in french, sorry.
> >
> >            Yours,
> >
> >     Hervé Le Crosnier
> >
> >
> >     English summary
> >
> >     There's a paradox : the more the internet allow people to communicate
> >     and publish, the more main actors are concentrated. By designing as
> >     vectorialism this new form of monopole acting on the digital world,
> we
> >     want to distinguish this new form of domination.
> >     Vectorialism is a new alliance between a media economy, where
> financing
> >     is on the hand of a third actor, be it advertisment or other
> influence
> >     industry, and a toll economy. Companies emerging from the internet,
> as
> >     Google, Yahoo! or Amazon, those coming from the comptuer industry, as
> >     Cisco or Microsoft, from the telcos, as Orange, Verizon or SKT, and
> from
> >     medias, as Fox News or MSNBC, are becoming vectors by extension all
> >     along the value chain of the digital production. By this way, they
> cross
> >     administrativia or political position that once were missions of
> public
> >     bodies, and build industrial infrastructures to fullfill their
> computing
> >     needs.
> >     Having a broad and holistic look over all this aspects of
> vectorialism,
> >     as a typical expression of cognitive capitalism, allow researchers to
> >     enlight the collective decision process, and to describe the specific
> >     forms of the new economical domination, and its ideological or
> political
> >     consequences. And further to spot a new light on changes occuring on
> >     working rights and economical wealth of immaterial producers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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