[p2p-research] thinking about leapfrogging

[Samuel Rose]

Actually, the more I think about it Vinay, the more I realize I don't really
have an opposing argument to what you are fundamentally saying at all,
because I see what you are doing as absolutely essential to helping bring
about positive, healthy human systems evolution. I just wnt to add some
stuff onto what you are doing, I think...

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:

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> I see their (developing world)  perception is something like a toxic waste
> byproduct of mass media and commercialization need to entice and entice
> people here to spend more and more. This toxic waste posions the perceptions
> in people's minds of what a "good" life is. Because, most of these ads, tv
> shows, etc are designed to appeal to base emotions and influence people in
> that way, a "commercial" psychology. You can either teach people to decipher
> these messages and understand what they really mean, or you can create a
> competing message (which is what David Korten proposes to do, BTW)
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> Hm. Well... I'm less judging of this stuff. People are animals, we evolved
> to want more, as big a share of the pie as possible high social status and
> so on. Advertisers etc. are symptoms of human nature, not corrupting forces.
> We can encourage rational thought, but not much more - most of the time we
> just have to work on making the composting toilet look as good as the flush
> one and get on with it.
>
> I don't believe in directed cultural change. I believe in transforming the
> technological landscape which culture flows through.
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> And I want advertisers working *for* the good, not against it - a question
> of aligning incentives.
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> Vinay
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> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> http://www.appropedia.org/User:Vinay_Gupta#Envisioning_a_Leapfrogged_World
>> Feel free to republish if you like, it's GFDL.
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>> Vinay
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>> On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
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>> Dear friends,
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>> It appears that leapfrogging, a direct leap to a new technological level,
>> hardly ever works, even the cell phone is not a good example, according the
>> articles below. The bottom line is that new tech requires a lot of prior
>> level infrastructure, as well as cultural underpinnings ...
>>
>> While this may be based on research, I also find it hard to accept as
>> 'definitive truth', so I would reframe the question: under what conditions
>> could leapfrogging work?
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>> I was wondering if I could motivate some of you here, and in particular
>> the people in cc, to some commentary on that crucial topic, for publication
>> in our blog,
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>> - http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10650775&fsrc=RSS
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>> - http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10650775&fsrc=RSS
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>> - http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/03/the_myth_of_lea.php
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