[p2p-research] Wikiworld

Sun Mar 23 05:07:39 CET 2008

Hi Tere,

I similarly avoid the s-word.

While I respect the tradition, I think it comes in many varieties, many of
which are tied to centralized conceptions of state power, some unpalatable;
it is also clearly linked to industrial capitalism, and I find that current
audiences are no longer receptive to it, while they are to a narrative that
used contemporary language related to p2p, openness, commons etc... .
Finally, if we are integrative in our approach, this means that the
socialist tradition is just one of the traditions to draw from.

In other words, I would look for 'trans' - disciplinary approaches, that
start from the problem to be solved, and can draw on many solutions coming
from various directions. We respect and use the tradition, but are not
beholden to it,

Michel

On 3/22/08, Tere Vadén <tere.vaden at uta.fi> wrote:
>
> Samuel Rose wrote:
> > Congratulations Tere and co.!
> >
> > Thanks for the pdf.
> >
> > Being here, deep among the unmoved movers, I'll see what insights I can
> > gain from your work as we try to introduce collaboration and "commons"
> > based approaches to people who struggle to regain cultural knowledge
> > they lost generations ago.
> >
> > One project in particular that holds promise is
> > http://socialsynergyweb.org/oardc/main-group where we are helping people
> > learn to use participatory media to build competing infrastructure based
> > around local foods, local agriculture. The only way for them to do it is
> > to collaborate as stakeholders, and participants in the chain from
> > producer to user/consumer. Just a little bit of participatory media has
> > helped, by way of opening up channels of communication. We've barely
> > used it to it's potential.
>
> This sounds great. Also here various co-ops & local economies were a big
> part of the landscape before WWII; then in the 80's and 90's everybody
> went crazy with the market boom and finally even the co-op banks and
> local stores collapsed. Now we have to learn those things again, too.
>
> >
> > In this geographic region, a lot of people don't see what they are doing
> > as "socialism", but rather as mutual, voluntary cooperation, and
> > collaboration.
>
> Yeah, and ideologies suck, anyway. The thing that first got me
> interested in Free Software and stuff was precisely that Stallman & co
> didn't just complain when they saw what was happening (altough they did
> that too, and engaged in "resistance"), but rather started writing a
> free operating system from scratch. It took 20 years, but they did it.
>
> I guess a part of the reason why Juha & I want to use the term
> "socialism" (apart from trying to be provocative) has to do with "owning
> up" to what one is doing & being aware of a tradition. Just the other
> day Juha found in one of Eben Moglen's essays a sentence that is
> directly lifted out of the Communist Manifesto, with no indication or
> reference of that, of course. While I understand that Moglen, Stallman
> etc. don't want to be pigeon-holed in a negative way, the situation for
> us is quite different, and avoiding the "s" word would feel awkward.
>
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Tere Vadén <tere.vaden at uta.fi
> > <mailto:tere.vaden at uta.fi>> wrote:
> >
> >     Dear peers & peeresses,
> >
> >     We have finally published the open access book entitled "Wikiworld -
> >     Political Economy and the Promise of Participatory Media" that has
> >     already been mentioned on the list earlier. We hope that you find it
> of
> >     interest in your work. Please feel free to download (pdf) and link
> the
> >     book from http://wikiworld.wordpress.com
> >
> >     WIKIWORLD
> >     Political Economy and the Promise of Participatory Media
> >
> >     In the digital world of learning there is a progressive
> transformation
> >     from the institutionalized and individualized forms of learning to
> open
> >     learning and collaboration. The book provides a critical view on the
> use
> >     of new technologies and learning practices in furthering socially
> just
> >     futures, while at the same time paying critical attention to the
> >     constants, or "unmoved movers" of the information society
> development;
> >     the West and Capitalism. The essential issue in the Wikiworld is one
> of
> >     freedom – levels and kinds of freedom. Our message is clear: we
> write
> >     for the radical openness of education for all.
> >
> >     Yours,
> >
> >     Juha Suoranta & Tere Vadén
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sam Rose
> > Social Synergy
> > Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> > Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> > AIM: Str9960
> > Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
> > skype: samuelrose
> > email: samuel.rose at gmail.com <mailto:samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> > http://socialsynergyweb.com/services
> > http://socialsynergy.typepad.com
> >
> > Related Sites/Blogs/Projects:
> > OpenBusinessModels: http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/FrontPage
> > http://p2pfoundation.net
> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> > http://www.cooperationcommons.com
> > http://barcampbank.org
> > http://communitywiki.org
> > http://openfarmtech.org
> > Information Filtering:
> > http://ma.gnolia.com/people/srose/bookmarks
> > http://del.icio.us/srose
> > http://twitter.com/SamRose
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