[p2p-research] Capital Club

Samuel Rose samuel.rose at gmail.com
Fri Mar 7 00:07:57 CET 2008 

Vinay,

I can respect your perspective. I have a bias towards complex systems
theory, and so tend to frame many things along those lines. Also have a bias
towards bio-psycho-social systems theory.

But, like you, I am very, very focused on application of theory, not just
theory itself. I apply theory in business, and in cooperative, and
collaborative activity.

Would be cool to talk to you sometime via skype or phone, maybe come to a
betetr mutual understanding, and see if we can help each other.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hm. Well, for what it's worth, I'm doing this:
> http://liveunplugged.org
>
> I'm not very interested in models.
>
> I think that some of Bruce Sterling's stuff is pretty cool. Yochai Benkler
> is on to some cool things too. But, really, to me, society is pretty
> irrelevant, it's really all about the technology. Other folks perceive
> society to be cause, I think of it mainly as effect, but I acknowledge that
> in aesthetic matters like this, all points of view are equally valid.
>
> Now, all of that said, interesting things are happening here, but when I
> ask folks to be concrete, it's just my way of relating to other people's
> projects: what is this, and how does it work?
>
> Vinay
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>
> --
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> refugee shelter system
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> Three's Musketeers
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
>
> In a nutshell: A way for people to solve their perceived problems of
> existence, that gives them more direct control and power over themselves,
> that gives real alternatives to existing government and mega corporation
> infrastructure. A  way that allows people to freely pursue their own chosen
> ways of life, but finds them choosing to solve problems in ways that are not
> destructive to others, *because* these are the best, most efficient, and
> even eventually easiest way to solve their perceived problems of existence.
>
> This is definitely what I believe myself, Marcin, Patrick, and others are
> creating, right now.
>
>
> There is no one answer, no one system, and there is no guarantee, because
> we exist, right now, in a complex adaptive system. We cannot control it. We
> can only learn to adapt the way that it adapts.
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yeah, I'm asking what you what direction these changes are in. If you
> > succeeded, what would you create?
> > Vinay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vinay Gupta - Designer, Hexayurt Project - an excellent public domain
> > refugee shelter system
> > Gizmo Project VOIP: 775-743-1851 (usually works!)              Cell:
> > Iceland (+354) 869-4605
> > http://hexayurt.com/     Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk: hexayurt      Two's company.
> > Three's Musketeers
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:38 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I am working with others in *practice* to change this society,
> > guiding vision in part to co-create with others new models that obsolete
> > existing models...
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > and how do you envisage changing this society?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Vinay Gupta - Designer, Hexayurt Project - an excellent public domain
> > > refugee shelter system
> > > Gizmo Project VOIP: 775-743-1851 (usually works!)
> > >  http://hexayurt.com/
> > > Cell: Iceland (+354) 869-4605
> > >  Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk: hexayurt
> > > People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest
> > >           Herman Hesse
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:30 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
> > >
> > > If you were replying to me, I have this actual society in mind, that
> > > we are in right now...
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Free people will create a free market. A free market will not create
> > > > free people.
> > > >
> > > > I rather like profit, when I make it. I like other things more, at
> > > > times, but I'm not sure what kind of a reform of society you have in
> > > > mind...
> > > >
> > > > Vinay
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Vinay Gupta - Designer, Hexayurt Project - an excellent public
> > > > domain
> > > > refugee shelter system
> > > > Gizmo Project VOIP: 775-743-1851 (usually works!)              Cell:
> > > > Iceland (+354) 869-4605
> > > > http://hexayurt.com/           Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk:
> > > > hexayurt             hey i found squirrels
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 6, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Patrick Anderson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Vinay,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope not to sound negative for no reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a specific problem with NatCap that is all too common: The
> > > > idea
> > > > > of 'profit' (keeping price above cost) is seen as a *goal* instead
> > > > of
> > > > > a central *problem*.
> > > > >
> > > > > For instance, from http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid5.php we
> > > > read:
> > > > > "Natural Capitalism describes a future in which business and
> > > > > environmental interests increasingly overlap, and in which
> > > > businesses
> > > > > can better satisfy their customers' needs, increase profits, and
> > > > help
> > > > > solve environmental problems all at the same time."
> > > > >
> > > > > As long as profit is considered a goal in itself, the troubles I
> > > > am
> > > > > trying to describe will persist.
> > > > >
> > > > > To reiterate, why do you buy your car instead of renting?  If
> > > > profit
> > > > > is important, wouldn't you want to pay it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Your peer,
> > > > > Patrick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What do y'all think of Natural Capitalism from Lovins et. al.?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Vinay
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > http://openfarmtech.org
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> --
> Sam Rose
> Social Synergy
> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> AIM: Str9960
> Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
> skype: samuelrose
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> http://socialsynergy.typepad.com
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> Related Sites/Blogs/Projects:
> OpenBusinessModels: http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/FrontPage
> http://p2pfoundation.net
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> http://www.cooperationcommons.com
> http://barcampbank.org
> http://communitywiki.org
> http://openfarmtech.org
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-- 
Sam Rose
Social Synergy
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