[p2p-research] Capital Club

Thu Mar 6 23:49:25 CET 2008

In a nutshell: A way for people to solve their perceived problems of
existence, that gives them more direct control and power over themselves,
that gives real alternatives to existing government and mega corporation
infrastructure. A  way that allows people to freely pursue their own chosen
ways of life, but finds them choosing to solve problems in ways that are not
destructive to others, *because* these are the best, most efficient, and
even eventually easiest way to solve their perceived problems of existence.

This is definitely what I believe myself, Marcin, Patrick, and others are
creating, right now.

There is no one answer, no one system, and there is no guarantee, because we
exist, right now, in a complex adaptive system. We cannot control it. We can
only learn to adapt the way that it adapts.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Yeah, I'm asking what you what direction these changes are in. If you
> succeeded, what would you create?
> Vinay
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> On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:38 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
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> Actually, I am working with others in *practice* to change this society,
> guiding vision in part to co-create with others new models that obsolete
> existing models...
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> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > and how do you envisage changing this society?
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> > Vinay Gupta - Designer, Hexayurt Project - an excellent public domain
> > refugee shelter system
> > Gizmo Project VOIP: 775-743-1851 (usually works!)
> > http://hexayurt.com/
> > Cell: Iceland (+354) 869-4605
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> > People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest
> >        Herman Hesse
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> > On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:30 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
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> > If you were replying to me, I have this actual society in mind, that we
> > are in right now...
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> > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Free people will create a free market. A free market will not create
> > > free people.
> > >
> > > I rather like profit, when I make it. I like other things more, at
> > > times, but I'm not sure what kind of a reform of society you have in
> > > mind...
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> > > Vinay
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> > > Vinay Gupta - Designer, Hexayurt Project - an excellent public domain
> > > refugee shelter system
> > > Gizmo Project VOIP: 775-743-1851 (usually works!)              Cell:
> > > Iceland (+354) 869-4605
> > > http://hexayurt.com/           Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk:
> > > hexayurt             hey i found squirrels
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> > > On Mar 6, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Patrick Anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Vinay,
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> > > > I hope not to sound negative for no reason.
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> > > > I have a specific problem with NatCap that is all too common: The
> > > idea
> > > > of 'profit' (keeping price above cost) is seen as a *goal* instead
> > > of
> > > > a central *problem*.
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> > > > For instance, from http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid5.php we read:
> > > > "Natural Capitalism describes a future in which business and
> > > > environmental interests increasingly overlap, and in which
> > > businesses
> > > > can better satisfy their customers' needs, increase profits, and
> > > help
> > > > solve environmental problems all at the same time."
> > > >
> > > > As long as profit is considered a goal in itself, the troubles I am
> > > > trying to describe will persist.
> > > >
> > > > To reiterate, why do you buy your car instead of renting?  If profit
> > > > is important, wouldn't you want to pay it?
> > > >
> > > > Your peer,
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Vinay Gupta <hexayurt at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
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> > > >>
> > > >> What do y'all think of Natural Capitalism from Lovins et. al.?
> > > >>
> > > >> Vinay
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