[p2p-research] programming a direct democracy

[Josef Davies-Coates]

Correct if I'm wrong but I think all Henrik was saying is that deliberation
without the option to (I assume automatically, algorithmically) delegate
your decision making power to someone else (ala Liquid Democracy/ Delegative
Democracy or similarly Smartocracy) who you trust on the matter isn't as
inclusive as a system that does have that option.

Not that we should completely dismiss deliberation.

Josef.

2008/6/30 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:

> Glad it was of use anyway, though I think your blanket dismissal of
> deliberation is too radical!!
>
> We need both direct and deliberative,
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Henrik Ingo <henrik.ingo at avoinelama.fi>
> wrote:
>
>> Michel,
>>
>> This was a nice link, though not perhaps for the reason you describe:
>>
>> I'm packing for a week-long business trip, so the whole article was
>> too long for me to read now. However, I was glimpsing through it, and
>> stopped when it talked about sitting in assembly raising hands.
>> Clearly this is not what I'm interested in with my system. (Academic
>> writing style gives me headache too!)
>>
>> Yes, the technique proposed could be modified to a useful tool for
>> "my" direct democracy society, perhaps... or not. In general I think
>> "Deliberative Direct Democracy" ideas are misguided, since the
>> fundamental assumption that people can or should spend all their lives
>> debating legislation is false. (And since it is false it means that
>> those who can spend the most time end up with most influence, which I
>> consider a flaw.)
>>
>> But, the first comment leads to a very interesting Swedish party, with
>> analogous ideas to myself. I should be in touch with them sometime.
>> This is what I wanted to thank you for :-)
>>
>> henrik
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> http://efficasync.blogspot.com/2007/07/programming-deliberative-direct.html
>> >
>> > Hi Henrik,
>> >
>> > re your presentation in nottingham,
>> >
>> > I wonder if you could not report on the following on the blog, or invite
>> > Mark to do so?
>> >
>> > Efficasync - How to Program a Direct Democracy
>> >
>> > Programming a Deliberative Direct-Democracy.
>> > A Method of Open-Source Self-Governance.
>> >
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