[p2p-research] Fwd: [ox-en] reprap, exploitation, free goods etc

Wed Jun 11 14:18:23 CEST 2008

http://www.ssbxfab.org/

this initiative, forwarded by Sam, looks really great and brings together
many themes of predilection that we monitor at the p2pfoundation ...

it's a fab lab but located in the heart of the bronx and based on community
dynamics ...

I would appreciate any volunteer report on this initiative for the blog, as
I'm not so good in describing 'practical' stuff,

Michel

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2008 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ox-en] reprap, exploitation, free goods etc
To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>

Sustainable South Bronx Fab Lab

http://www.dmlcompetition.net/winnerDetail.php?x=ssb

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> thanks!
>
> On 6/11/08, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> They will have a space in probably a month or two.
>>
>> I'll also let you know if I come across others. I have heard about this in
>> Chicago, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ok, if it is only exploratory then I'll wait as well,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/10/08, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Right now, discussions are going on at
>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/a2coworking/
>>>>
>>>> revolving around some loose organization by Bill Tozier
>>>> http://williamtozier.com/slurry/
>>>>
>>>> I'll let you know when they have an actual site. Also, I'll let you know
>>>> when I have decon/recon database up and running
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sam,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you're busy, so I would be happy with a reference or two, and
>>>>> can report myself on this thing you mentioned here:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?"Open source car projects also open up the possibilities for new
>>>>> businesses.
>>>>> Over here, in Michigan, right now (in Ann Arbor, MI) there are folks
>>>>> creating "coworking" around fabrication shops. So, individuals are
>>>>> pooling
>>>>> money to buy spaces and equipment and share a flexible fabrication
>>>>> workspace. This is the early/beginning of a new type of business that
>>>>> can
>>>>> fill in lots of research, development, design, and production gaps."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Jun 9, 2008 9:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ox-en] reprap, exploitation, free goods etc
>>>>> To: list-en at oekonux.org
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Franz,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it could be very productive to explore retrofitting new cars.
>>>>> In
>>>>> fact, I am advocating fro the retrofitting of all existing industrial
>>>>> and
>>>>> urban/suburban infrastructure. Cars included. Plus, I'd like to create
>>>>> a
>>>>> base of open knowledge for the deconstruction/reconstruction of
>>>>> existing
>>>>> waste materials, to be reconstituted into a technical cycle as raw
>>>>> materials
>>>>> for technology, but making the knowledge about the processes open,
>>>>> copylefted. Later this year, I plan to launch this knowledge base.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that the Hilmar Simon model has lots of promise. Existing
>>>>> autorepair
>>>>> and fabrication shops can of course easily play a part. And, all of
>>>>> these
>>>>> Open source car projects also open up the possibilities for new
>>>>> businesses.
>>>>> Over here, in Michigan, right now (in Ann Arbor, MI) there are folks
>>>>> creating "coworking" around fabrication shops. So, individuals are
>>>>> pooling
>>>>> money to buy spaces and equipment and share a flexible fabrication
>>>>> workspace. This is the early/beginning of a new type of business that
>>>>> can
>>>>> fill in lots of research, development, design, and production gaps.
>>>>>
>>>>> (What's funny is that tiny little fabrication shops right here in
>>>>> Michigan
>>>>> are where many of the early cars came from. So transportation could
>>>>> come
>>>>> full circle)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, check this out, about a US $20,000 car (not open source)
>>>>> http://www.aptera.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> The design of this car shows the direction that care design in general
>>>>> could
>>>>> go in. Big US auto makers are having trouble filling orders for hybrid
>>>>> cars
>>>>> in the US. So, small companies like aptera are now enjoying some
>>>>> success.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's actually not a stretch, given current conditions, that a
>>>>> company that decides to create an open source car could get some
>>>>> funding for
>>>>> the initial development. Or, a company could take an existing design
>>>>> from
>>>>> one of the existing open source car projects and use it as a "core" to
>>>>> save
>>>>> some time and money, and could probably gather some funding as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the US, I think a retrofitting service could flourish, if the
>>>>> business
>>>>> were created carefully. A powerplant package could be created to drop
>>>>> in
>>>>> place of several car models, even big SUV's and trucks! And it could be
>>>>> open
>>>>> design/copyleft license. It would take an alliance/cooperation among
>>>>> people
>>>>> who have the knowledge to design and maintain the powerplant package,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the installer businesses that put them in. The designers have a big
>>>>> stake in
>>>>> open design, because it drives down their costs, and opens up a lot of
>>>>> freedoms for them. many of them could work independently, making money
>>>>> by
>>>>> customizing the core designs for special orders, for instance.
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada at reflex.at>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > What struck me in this conversation is that there is possibly no
>>>>> > thought-out production structure for the C'mm'n.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hilmar Simon from Germany is trying to rally around a structure that
>>>>> > includes small enterprises (car repair shops) from the beginning.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Anybody intereasted in this and fluent in German  should join his new
>>>>> Ning
>>>>> > community
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://plushundert.ning.com/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Franz
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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