[p2p-research] programming a direct democracy

[Michel Bauwens]

As I understand it, deliberative democracy is based on selecting (through
self-selection or trying to have a representative sample) a restricted
numbers of participants who can process the complex information for the
benefit of others?

As I see it, online deliberation can scale, but local-physical deliberation
has to take place in smaller groups to be effective.

I think it takes place 'before voting', so the critique of non-delegation
would not apply. Both approaches are compatible.

http://p2pfoundation.net/Deliberative_Democracy

Michel

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Josef Davies-Coates <
josef at uniteddiversity.com> wrote:

> Correct if I'm wrong but I think all Henrik was saying is that deliberation
> without the option to (I assume automatically, algorithmically) delegate
> your decision making power to someone else (ala Liquid Democracy/ Delegative
> Democracy or similarly Smartocracy) who you trust on the matter isn't as
> inclusive as a system that does have that option.
>
> Not that we should completely dismiss deliberation.
>
> Josef.
>
> 2008/6/30 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>
>> Glad it was of use anyway, though I think your blanket dismissal of
>> deliberation is too radical!!
>>
>> We need both direct and deliberative,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Henrik Ingo <henrik.ingo at avoinelama.fi>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Michel,
>>>
>>> This was a nice link, though not perhaps for the reason you describe:
>>>
>>> I'm packing for a week-long business trip, so the whole article was
>>> too long for me to read now. However, I was glimpsing through it, and
>>> stopped when it talked about sitting in assembly raising hands.
>>> Clearly this is not what I'm interested in with my system. (Academic
>>> writing style gives me headache too!)
>>>
>>> Yes, the technique proposed could be modified to a useful tool for
>>> "my" direct democracy society, perhaps... or not. In general I think
>>> "Deliberative Direct Democracy" ideas are misguided, since the
>>> fundamental assumption that people can or should spend all their lives
>>> debating legislation is false. (And since it is false it means that
>>> those who can spend the most time end up with most influence, which I
>>> consider a flaw.)
>>>
>>> But, the first comment leads to a very interesting Swedish party, with
>>> analogous ideas to myself. I should be in touch with them sometime.
>>> This is what I wanted to thank you for :-)
>>>
>>> henrik
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> http://efficasync.blogspot.com/2007/07/programming-deliberative-direct.html
>>> >
>>> > Hi Henrik,
>>> >
>>> > re your presentation in nottingham,
>>> >
>>> > I wonder if you could not report on the following on the blog, or
>>> invite
>>> > Mark to do so?
>>> >
>>> > Efficasync - How to Program a Direct Democracy
>>> >
>>> > Programming a Deliberative Direct-Democracy.
>>> > A Method of Open-Source Self-Governance.
>>> >
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