[p2p-research] adds to the wiki

Tue Jan 8 06:33:46 CET 2008

Hi Patrick,

I think that a Q & A would be useful, but for example, as you cite below, I
still think it is pretty unreadable, because you take a technical approach
from within your own self-referential structure, and I think that a whole
different way of communication is called for. If it is already to terse for
me, I can only wonder what it sounds like for most other people ... I would
also suggest that you put only the links as an endnote ... as camelcase by
itself is already difficult to read ...

Michel

On Jan 7, 2008 10:56 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of the things that i think could also help is to create a "Q&A",
> either with youself, or with someone else, that asks and answers questions
> in a conversational manner. Example:
>
>
> "Q: What is User ownership, exaclty?
> A: "UserOwner <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserOwner>" is an
> OpenBusinessModel<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/OpenBusinessModel>that treats profit as incremental
> UserInvestment <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserInvestment>toward
> PhysicalSources <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PhysicalSources>so each consumer slowly gains real property ownership as ControllingShares
> ?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=ControllingShares>in that ForProduct
> <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/ForProduct> business whenever
> they pay PriceAboveCost<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PriceAboveCost>
> .
>
> Q: Huh? "ForProduct? PriceAboveCost? What are those?
> A: A "For Product" business is one in which the primary goal is Product. A
> "For Product" business can scale through a legally binding SocialContract<http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?SocialContract>that requires profit be treated as
> UserInvestment <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserInvestment>.
>
> PriceAboveCost <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PriceAboveCost>is another way of talking about Profit.
>
> In traditional Capitalism, an ObjectUser?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=ObjectUser>'s
> payment of Price Above Cost is collected by the SourceOwners ?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=SourceOwners>as OwnerProfit?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=OwnerProfit>.
> OwnerProfit?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=OwnerProfit>becomes the central goal, with the product often becoming incidental and
> eventually even a problem.
>
> But a consumer's payment of price above cost is actually his plea for
> growth. He is admitting he can't meet that objective any other way. He
> doesn't own the PhysicalSources<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PhysicalSources>needed for that production.
>
> Under a legally binding UserOwner<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserOwner>
> SocialContract <http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?SocialContract>, a GNU
> Society will treat PriceAboveCost<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PriceAboveCost>as
> UserInvestment <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserInvestment>because Price approaches Cost as (UserOwnership?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=UserOwnership>of
> PhysicalSources <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PhysicalSources>)
> approaches FullyDistributed ?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=FullyDistributed>
> .
>
>
> Q: Ok, so basically, when people by products from this type of business,
> if they become shareholders, owners of part of the company, by paying more
> for the product than the product cost to produce, right? Each time they pay
> "price above cost" that extra amount is applied towards a share in the
> company for that consumer/user/customer, right?
>
> A: Yes! Exactly!
>
> Q: So, what is the advantage to doing things this way?
>
> Q: Won't this be difficult to govern? can average people be trusted to to
> own the Physical sources of production?
>
> Q How will this affect our existing economies?
>
> Q: How does US, or other law currently apply to the User Owner
> arrangement?
>
> Stuff like that...
>
> It's proven that people learn and retain knowledge better through a
> conversational tone (plus visualization/images).
>
> I'd be happy to help you work on this, if you think it's useful.
>
> Also, for actually applying this model, I think there are quite a few
> existing opportunities I am connected with that would be good candidates to
> try
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 2:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Patrick,
> >
> > thanks for adding your items to the wiki, which I think is a good thing
> > ...
> >
> > however, I'm concerned by the lack of context for readers, as your prose
> > is very terse, and self-referential, referring to a context most people will
> > be unfamiliar with.
> >
> > I therefore propose to things:
> >
> > 1) that you would have your own area under Projects (see bottom of right
> > column); that you would tag your items so they also appear automatically in
> > that category, and that you clearly indicate in your entries, some
> > indication of the context, for example: "as used in [[User Ownership]]
> > theory .. Readers have to know why there is no general description of the
> > term, but a definition within a specific context .
> >
> > What do you think? If you agree, what should you/we use as a specialized
> > tag? Perhaps: [[Category:Usertheory]] ??
> >
> > Michel
> >
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