[p2p-research] adds to the wiki

Samuel Rose samuel.rose at gmail.com
Mon Jan 7 16:56:09 CET 2008


One of the things that i think could also help is to create a "Q&A", either
with youself, or with someone else, that asks and answers questions in a
conversational manner. Example:


"Q: What is User ownership, exaclty?
A: "UserOwner <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserOwner>" is an
OpenBusinessModel<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/OpenBusinessModel>that
treats profit as incremental
UserInvestment <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserInvestment>toward
PhysicalSources
<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PhysicalSources>so each
consumer slowly gains real property ownership as ControllingShares
?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=ControllingShares>in
that
ForProduct <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/ForProduct> business
whenever they pay
PriceAboveCost<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PriceAboveCost>
.

Q: Huh? "ForProduct? PriceAboveCost? What are those?
A: A "For Product" business is one in which the primary goal is Product. A
"For Product" business can scale through a legally binding
SocialContract<http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?SocialContract>that
requires profit be treated as
UserInvestment <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserInvestment>.

PriceAboveCost <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PriceAboveCost> is
another way of talking about Profit.

In traditional Capitalism, an
ObjectUser?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=ObjectUser>'s
payment of Price Above Cost is collected by the
SourceOwners?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=SourceOwners>as
OwnerProfit
? <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=OwnerProfit>.
OwnerProfit?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=OwnerProfit>becomes
the central goal, with the product often becoming incidental and
eventually even a problem.

But a consumer's payment of price above cost is actually his plea for
growth. He is admitting he can't meet that objective any other way. He
doesn't own the
PhysicalSources<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PhysicalSources>needed
for that production.

Under a legally binding
UserOwner<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserOwner>
SocialContract <http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?SocialContract>, a GNU
Society will treat
PriceAboveCost<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PriceAboveCost>as
UserInvestment <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/UserInvestment>because
Price approaches Cost as (UserOwnership
? <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=UserOwnership> of
PhysicalSources <http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PhysicalSources>)
approaches FullyDistributed?<http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki?action=edit;id=FullyDistributed>
.


Q: Ok, so basically, when people by products from this type of business, if
they become shareholders, owners of part of the company, by paying more for
the product than the product cost to produce, right? Each time they pay
"price above cost" that extra amount is applied towards a share in the
company for that consumer/user/customer, right?

A: Yes! Exactly!

Q: So, what is the advantage to doing things this way?

Q: Won't this be difficult to govern? can average people be trusted to to
own the Physical sources of production?

Q How will this affect our existing economies?

Q: How does US, or other law currently apply to the User Owner arrangement?

Stuff like that...

It's proven that people learn and retain knowledge better through a
conversational tone (plus visualization/images).

I'd be happy to help you work on this, if you think it's useful.

Also, for actually applying this model, I think there are quite a few
existing opportunities I am connected with that would be good candidates to
try

On Jan 7, 2008 2:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> thanks for adding your items to the wiki, which I think is a good thing
> ...
>
> however, I'm concerned by the lack of context for readers, as your prose
> is very terse, and self-referential, referring to a context most people will
> be unfamiliar with.
>
> I therefore propose to things:
>
> 1) that you would have your own area under Projects (see bottom of right
> column); that you would tag your items so they also appear automatically in
> that category, and that you clearly indicate in your entries, some
> indication of the context, for example: "as used in [[User Ownership]]
> theory .. Readers have to know why there is no general description of the
> term, but a definition within a specific context .
>
> What do you think? If you agree, what should you/we use as a specialized
> tag? Perhaps: [[Category:Usertheory]] ??
>
> Michel
>
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