[p2p-research] CoLiberation

Sat Jan 5 06:46:48 CET 2008

I added Paul's statement to the entry, very illuminating, thanks ...

Did I mention this:

- this will appear tomorrow, on the wikipedia deletionist movement,
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-deletion-of-scholar-ralph-siu-by-the-wikipedia-lynch-mobs/2008/01/06

Commentaries are welcome,

Michel

On Jan 5, 2008 6:24 AM, Tere Vadén <tere.vaden at uta.fi> wrote:

> very good explanation. thanks.
>
> it seems to me that this is the essence of education/raising children.
>
> it is not possible to sustain all the possibilities a newborn has:
> education is always a process of limiting/destroying while
> enabling/empowering. dialectics.
>
> Paul B. Hartzog wrote:
> > Although I never coined 'coliberation' (which I love)
> > I DID make the case a few years back
> > that there are kinds of cooperation that
> > 1) constrain you
> > 2) but enable new possibilities
> > and that if the benefit of the new possibilities outweighs
> > the cost of the constraint, then the two parties are "liberated"
> >
> > The key is in understanding that they were ALREADY BOUND beforehand,
> > but that they were bound to a system in which they did not cooperate.
> >
> > Again, it is a choice between being constrained/empowered by what you
> > are doing now,
> > vs.
> > being constrained/empowered by doing something else (cooperating).
> >
> > To make the point I used TCP/IP but any language will work.  It goes
> like this:
> >
> > BEFORE inventing a language that enables communication, two parties
> > occupy a "space of possibilities."  AFTER inventing a language that
> > enables communication, the two parties occupy a NEW space.
> >
> > The crucial point is that communication DOES NOT simply mean that they
> > can now cooperate on things that they were already doing individually
> > before (like farming).  What it means to be in a NEW space, is that
> > now they can contemplate, design, and execute things that were not
> > even considerable before, and which would never have even been thought
> > of (like building cities).
> >
> > To make THAT point, I have used symbiosis of plant roots and fungi.
> > It is NOT the case that the fungi were doing their thing, and so were
> > the tree roots, and they teamed up to do it better.  Symbiosis enable
> > the new tree/fungus hybrid organism to consider utilizing (eating)
> > resources that were not even possible before.  For example, now the
> > fungus can metabolize a substance for the tree that the fungus itself
> > would never have metabolized before (because it had no use for it),
> > and the tree can do the same for the fungus.  It's only in combination
> > that they see the new resources.
> >
> > An economic example would be producing a product for which you have NO
> > use, simply so you can trade it with someone who DOES want it, for
> > something that you want, that they are producing and do not use
> > themselves.  (Globalization has brought this to the fore, as factories
> > produce items purely for export to regions of the world other than
> > where the factory is located).
> >
> > hope that helps,
> > -p
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2007 6:56 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear friends,
> >>
> >> I would like to promote the work of Bernie DeKoven around CoLiberation,
> and
> >> the associated facilitation techniques.
> >>
> >> The reason is the following, see the quote below but in short: I think
> it is
> >> the name for the active ethical principle behind p2p work,
> equipotentiality
> >> being its ontological principle. See also then below for a few extra
> links
> >> on this work.
> >>
> >> http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Coliberation
> >>
> >> ""If we accept Equipotentiality as the basic worldview and principle
> >> explaining peer to peer dynamics, then Coliberation is the active
> ethical
> >> principle derived from it.
> >>
> >> "It signifies both the shared transcendence of the group, and the
> practice
> >> of designing social processes so each of us can be the condition and
> enabler
> >> of the other participants reaching their highest potential."
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Bernie DeKoven < bdekoven at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Dec 26, 2007 11:25 PM
> >> Subject: Re: thank you
> >> To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> My dear Michel,
> >>
> >> You are right, of course, about Barcamps, Unconferences, etc. I am
> somewhat
> >> in touch with Chris Messina and keep a toe in the business door through
> my
> >> writing in Coworking. Here, in fact, is an article of mine you might
> find
> >> relevant, and amusing -
> >> http://www.majorfun.com/news/2006/11/25-technography-revisited.html
> >>
> >> Yes again - "everything depends on the whims of that one person who
> claims
> >> enlightenment." I was in such a boat myself (more of a row boat than a
> sail
> >> boat) when I founded the Games Preserve ('71-'81). It has taken the
> world at
> >> least 30 years to get me to understand the error of that particular
> way.
> >>
> >> A couple of articles that I think are particularly relevant, re The
> >> Well-Played Game, are this one - http://www.deepfun.com/community.html- on
> >> "The Fun Community" (originally I called it the "Play Community" - but,
> as
> >> you know, I'm finding "fun" to be a better, humbler, more approachable
> word.
> >> You might also find this  -  http://www.deepfun.com/theater.html - of
> use -
> >> at least in terms of the forces that led me to where I apparently still
> am.
> >>
> >> I am thoroughly enjoying this dialog, Michel, and look forward to its
> >> continued unfolding.
> >>
> >> Also, please see this -
> http://www.deepfun.com/2007/12/coliberation.html -
> >> let me know if you'd like any corrections, elaborations....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bernie DeKoven
> >>
> >> http://www.deepfun.com
> >> http://www.majorfun.com
> >>  http://www.junkyardsports.com
> >> http://www.coworking.com
> >>
> >> AIM: majormajorfun
> >>
> >> 223 Avenue G
> >> Redondo Beach, CA 90277
> >> 310 792 7227
> >>
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