[p2p-research] ideas for geek platform

[Dante-Gabryell Monson]

Hi Michel , Hi All ,

// This mail is about understanding the different steps in of the solution
building processes in which we engage , and what practices each of us would
like to suggest.  //

Thanks for adding your wishes to the
page<http://p2pfoundation.net/To_Do_List>(+ community portal link
<http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Foundation:Community_Portal>)  - when waking
up this morning I realized I could have named it " To Wish List " instead of
" To Do List "  ... as to leave it fuzzy , flexible , optional , visionary
... :-)

Although I realize you did even better when editing the page -
you set up subcategories " Wish List " , " Task List " , and " Projects
Undertaken ".

This is where I like to call the practitionners in each of us :

I imagine there are all kinds of methodologies used to , step by step ,
facilitate a shift from inspiration ,  to vision , to specific inter related
tasks to reach a vision , to collaborative project development ...

Perhaps some of us are  expert in such understanding ?

If so , what kind of " Process approaches " would you suggest , along the
open , peer to peer ,
equipotential<http://p2pfoundation.net/Equipotentiality>approach - I
understandCo-Liberation<http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Coliberation>(
and also
Festivalism <http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Festivalism> ? ) is an approach
many of us seem to be using:
" Empowering Oneself By Empowering Others " ,

Up to now , ideas and collaborations emerge very much through emails ,
through Michel , through the lists , and individuals we like to think of as
interested in the topic of the message added in cc.

They also emerge through some face to face meetings ( often private
initiatives at our homes , sometimes BarCamps <http://barcamp.org/> ,
Hospitality
Network Gatherings <http://www.couchsurfing.com/meetings.html> , or meetings
at spaces such as the Hubs - see global list on right side of this
site<http://thehubbrussels.pbwiki.com/>) , although this also is still
in a growing process what concerns this
(collaborative?) network.

Eventually existing tools such as the wiki , blog , mailing list , will
further develop and integrate further with each other and other tools (
social networking profiles / open ID ? , ... maps ? , ... )

When googling " process " on the p2p site , I find a lot of interesting
references<http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fp2pfoundation.net+process&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial>
,

such as Process Economy <http://p2pfoundation.net/Process_Economy> ( type of
economic transition ? ) , Peer Assist
Process<http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Explaining_the_Peer_Assist_Process>(
physical gathering of peers ) , Co-Creation
Process <http://p2pfoundation.net/Co-Creation> ( Product Development
?) ,  Chaordic
Organization<http://p2pfoundation.net/Chaordic_Organizations_-_Characteristics>(
setting up purpuse oriented network structure ) ,Open
Organization<http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Open_Organization>, ...

there are also other interesting links that have been suggested by some of
us ( perhaps Josef ? )  in the recent past , such as Viable Systems
Models<http://www.esrad.org.uk/resources/vsmg_3/screen.php?page=home>,
 ...

but to break this down and use practices that can facilitate our processes ,
moving from issues . to inspirations and suggestions , to finding out who
shares what common interests and projects ,
is still in the making - or at least , thats my impression.

I also remember Sam proposed Process Network Building
Theory<http://p2pfoundation.net/Process_Network_building_theory>

Perhaps we can further build on some of these steps , understanding what
questions to ask at what time , and making all the results available to
everyone ?

Or perhaps there are some other references or approaches you might have been
developping already on which I missed out ?

Perhaps  we can also recycle some approaches used in the open source
programming movements ?
Perhaps some of you have more expertise in these fields ?

Looking forward to hear from all of you

Greetings

Dante

http://oikoumene.coforum.net/DanteGabryell

On Jan 4, 2008 5:05 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dante,
>
> thanks for the suggestion and creating the new page.
>
> There was already a page here at http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Foundation:Community_Portal
>
>
> but I will be using your to do list for more concrete suggestions.
>
> What do you mean with the To Do Map ?
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2008 9:22 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < dante.monson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks Michel for sharing your views on the direction of developments
> > you would like to pursue for the http://p2pfoundation.net   wiki and
> > blog
> >
> > In this reply , I like to rephrase a bit what we seem to be doing ...
> > and my main practical question is
> >
> > " I wonder if there is a " To do " space on the p2p wiki ?
> >
> > On the http://p2pfoundation.net main page ,
> > I do notice the "Can we help you? How to support us? " section and links
> > ,
> >
> > but did not find a " to do list " and , perhaps soon , " to do map " ? "
> >
> > I allowed myself the draft initiative , in case it is not in some other
> > place :
> >
> > http://p2pfoundation.net/To_Do_List
> >
> >  http://p2pfoundation.net/To_Do_Map
> >
> > and could perhaps invite all of us to make further suggestions and share
> > visions and intentions ?
> >
> > ...
> > ...
> >
> > " Visualization " of any set of chosen relations between any meta-data
> > ... further opening up Transparency towards greater collaborative
> > empowerment and broadened participation... Convergence , Confluence ,
> > Synthesis , Processes , Synchronization , Swarming , Boundary Spanning ,
> > Synergy Opportunities , ...  Hubs ...
> >
> > just to pick some of the themes and the paradigms many of us seem to be
> > developing or flowing to.
> >
> > I certainly feel the p2pfoundation knowledge base you have initiated -
> > and , for much of it , built up -
> > and all the people it now has the potential of attracting ,
> >
> > is certainly a node in this new kind of non-structure rhizome paradigm i
> > feel is emerging
> > ( or at least , that I like to see emerging ).
> >
> > The Value Networks movements<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_network>also seem to be other emerging nodes , although my current impression is
> > that Verna Allee Value Networks seem to be mostly centered on the United
> > States , and to my own current perception are somewhat elitist / corporate
> > managment based ( ? )
> >
> > I am looking forward to the unleashing of potential in the emergent
> > convergence of human resources,  eventually also leading to the funds needed
> > to pay for the development of tools and the research and development related
> > to peer to peer paradigms.
> >
> > I wonder if there is a " To do " space on the p2p wiki ? On the
> > http://p2pfoundation.net main page ,
> > I do notice the "Can we help you? How to support us? " section and links
> > , but did not find a " to do list " and , perhaps soon , " to do map " ?
> >
> > It feels it is all inter connected , and every development has the
> > potential to impact all the others.
> >
> > Mapping the resources and the relations of resources we have access to ,
> > or that we intend to converge ,
> > while using the intentions and the memes that motivate such convergence
> > , is a interesting prospect.
> >
> > I think about networks of individuals who meet up and discuss in a non
> > digital world , and then reconnect in the digital world together with other
> > individuals and networks based in other cities and regions ,
> >
> > online and offline boundary spanner and nomads ,
> >
> > academics , self learners , students , programmers , artists , travelers
> > , all kinds of thinkers ,  entrepreneurs  , entredonneurs , downshifting
> > ex-corporates , rhizomeshifting cooperates , netroot activists ,  managers
> > ,  ... collective intelligence enthusiasts ...
> >
> > and soon I hope also more retired passionnate self learners  ,  and
> > their unschooled grand children ...
> >
> > all individuals connected to various old paradigm structures , allowing
> > the use of existing resources controlled by organizations as to develop the
> > meta-cortex facilitating optimization of energy and potential to increase
> > the scope of simple complexity.
> >
> > I look forward to develop more space to experiment , and converge more
> > resources to facilitate such value creation.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dante
> >
> > http://oikoumene.coforum.net/DanteGabryell
> >
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2008 9:35 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Perhaps this is the moment to express one of my wishes for the
> > > development of our wiki in 2008.
> > >
> > > As you perhaps know, the wiki has now  *6,407* total pages in the
> > > database, of which *4,405* pages "that are probably legitimate content
> > > pages" (according to the statistics page). These have generated a total of
> > > *2,502,150* page views, in a period of 18 months or so.
> > >
> > > So I think as a reference tool, this is quite good, and we now enter a
> > > new phase of visualization's, see
> > > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/announcing-a-new-p2p-meme-mapping-project-for-2008/2008/01/02
> > >
> > > But my real wish is to make it more geared not just to reference, but
> > > as a tool for current developments.
> > >
> > > My idea is to somehow integrate the wiki with a blog and feeds, that
> > > would be visible from within the same wiki page, not just link buttons to
> > > outside material.
> > >
> > > So my idea is that each sector page, would have: 1) the evolving
> > > introduction (already there); 2) a blog for editorials; 3) integrated feeds
> > > to the wiki updates, delicious feeds of specific related tags (mine and
> > > others); and related blogs on the topic.
> > >
> > > Would a mix between drupal and mediawiki do the trick. I really want
> > > to keep the mediawiki going.
> > >
> > > We have no funds for this, but the p2p-funding scheme I'm developping
> > > with Sam, could serve to pay some of these development projects.
> > >
> > > Anyways, that's my wish for 2008 ...
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 3, 2008 12:22 AM, Josef Davies-Coates <josef at uniteddiversity.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Great thread! Thanks Sam for some good links.
> > > >
> > > > United Diversity functions in a very similar fashion. We're pretty
> > > > much all freelance consultants, but we all invoice as United Diversity and
> > > > pass jobs onto each other. We've done WordPress and Drupal stuff in the past
> > > > (and probably will do more in the future) but now focus more on powerful
> > > > python tools and web frameworks.
> > > >
> > > > We're currently working with The Hub and others (e.g. largeblue,
> > > > developers of http://green.tv see development at http://pesto.largeblue.net/trac
> > > > ) to build a similar team and partnership developing with Zope 3 (a
> > > > complete re-write whose component architecture enables massive code re-use)
> > > > and plugging it together with other python tools using the power of WSGI
> > > > http://wsgi.org/wsgi
> > > >
> > > > A couple of good organisational links for anyone who hasn't seen
> > > > them already:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.esrad.org.uk/resources/vsmg_3/screen.php?page=home
> > > > http://www.open-organizations.org/
> > > >
> > > > Definitely sounds like we should all be working together more
> > > > closely show how?
> > > >
> > > > Smiles.
> > > >
> > > > Josef.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 18/12/2007, chiaro scuro < kiaroskuro at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/17/07, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One suggestion I can offer up front is to create processes and
> > > > > > ssytems based around http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/OpenBusinessModel
> > > > > >   principles, like putting decisions out to network members,
> > > > > > sharing revenue with OSS projects, and making processes transparent to the
> > > > > > group.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > hey guys, I'm really impressed by the quality of the answers I
> > > > > received. very very relevant stuff!  I am not able to answer properly for a
> > > > > few days as I am travelling at the moment and even now I am freezing my ass
> > > > > connected on a flaky network on a street corner in NY :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > If by a slim chance anyone of you is in NY tomorrow (18th dec) or
> > > > > the morning of the 19th we could meet up and have a chat in person. I am
> > > > > going to check my email again later tonight and tomorrow morning ,NY time.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again and speak to you soon..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Josef Davies-Coates
> > > > 07974 88 88 95
> > > > http://uniteddiversity.com
> > > > Together We Have Everything
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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