[p2p-research] Arguments against generalizing copyright-less strategies for musicians, was: arguments against applying open/free to other content

[Michel Bauwens]

Thanks Marco, I'm very proud of the civility we have achieved so far!!

Michel

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 17:39:49 PM -0500, Samuel Rose wrote:
> > Marco,
> >
> > I think we mthight actually make some progress if we move this
> > discussion to the p2pfoundation wiki.
>
> Personally, I much prefer properly trimmed and quoted email to other
> media, but it's OK. I'll just say again that I should have really
> closed some other things before engaging in this and I'll try again to
> do so, so don't be surprised if you don't see me for a week or so from
> now.
>
> > I don't think any of us are actually really arguing against your
> > central core point, which is that completely tossing aside any
> > declaration of usage by others is potentially a bad idea.
> ...
> > So, that is what I read as your central point, that we should not
> > necassarily turn that on it's head, but that maybe we should instead
> > educate people, give them literacies about how they can work with
> > existing conditions, instead of inverting them by default, invert
> > them per person's choice.
>
> You have summarized my core point well, thanks! "if you haven't really
> proved that it is completely broken, don't insist on completely
> fixing/removing it: it its much more right, both practically and
> ethically, to only remove single *practices* or rules which surely
> create problems.
>
> And I, too, believe that all our positions and practical proposals are
> much closer than they could seem by a superficial reading of these
> first messages.
>
> > Hopefully you'll see this a bit more fair than the indirect
> > criticism that has taken place on this list so far
>
> Actually, I have not felt the not-so-indirect criticism on the list so
> far as unfair, don't worry. Maybe there just were some not really
> necessary repetitions of some concepts, but it's OK, isn't it? After
> all, we (ie I "versus" all the other list members) just met, so we had
> to introduce ourselves to each other, summarizing what we think and
> how we arrived to it.
>
> I do hope this discussion continues, here or on wiki is not a problem:
> as I had said to Michel privately, I'm honored to have been invited to
> join a group of this level and hope to make useful contributions to
> its work. I'm also glad to have found a place where there is balance,
> good faith, actual thought and willingness to exercise one's brain to
> get to the root of the problem and to really effective solutions. My
> first article _is_ indeed confrontational and quite critical because
> it was specifically addressed to, and it was a reaction to, people
> yelling without having or wishing to have any of the qualities above.
>
> Ciao,
>        Marco
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