[p2p-research] Fwd: Meta-Markets updates

Sun Feb 17 07:58:34 CET 2008

Steve,

I find this a fantastic article which I'm reviewing on march 1, see
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/steve-bosserman-on-economic-sustainability-in-a-world-of-open-design/2008/03/01

Could I possibly have the graphic below in a good version, I would also like
to use it in my own presentations if that is okay, sourcing to you of
course.

I'm starting off like this:

"

This article<http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/steve_bosserman/2008/02/09/giving_it_away_making_money.htm>by
Steve Bosserman is about the best that I have read about the issue of
sustainability in a world of open design.

It's an article which should be read slowly, it is a slow buildup of simple
but intricate arguments, and has the illustrative graphics to match.

I want to retrace my own understanding of it."

2008/2/16 Steve Bosserman <steve.bosserman at gmail.com>:

>  Hi Michel and Sam,
>
> Recently I made a posting on Knowledge Broker<http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/steve_bosserman/2008/02/09/giving_it_away_making_money.htm>that is peripherally related to the topic.  The graphic below is taken from
> that posting.
>
>
>
> There are two planes, common value and differentiated value, that
> establish an operating space in which a person divides efforts between
> giving some or all of what is done to the commonweal versus presenting it
> for sale in targeted markets.
>
> Due to rapid advances in communication and information technologies, it
> is increasingly easy to post knowledge in the public domain as condition /
> problem identification and analyses, solution design and logisticsassociated with its delivery,
> education and training materials, and individual / community
> capacity-building tools and techniques.  Well and fine for common value.
> And if the society to which one belongs covers the essentials for adequate
> quality of life, well and fine for the person who contributes what is of
> common value.
>
> The flip-side is what does a person do as a member of a society that does
> NOT guarantee quality of life essentials?  In these circumstances, one
> cannot sustain oneself or exercise responsibility to one's family by giving
> everything away.  Instead, it is imperative such individuals provide
> differentiated value to others and are fairly compensated through a medium
> of exchange so they can procure these essentials.
>
> Increasingly, differentiated value consists of producing / manufacturing
> deliverables close to the point of consumption (food, feed, fiber, energy,
> housing, etc.) or providing what must be accompanied by human touch (social
> services, healthcare, palliative care, education, etc.).  There is a
> blending of effort and output that yields common value and differentiated
> value.  The important aspect is hitting the critical balance between the
> two.  And as the title of the slide suggests, finding an adaptable yet sound
> business model to stay on track is mandatory.
>
> Anyway, just thoughts for consideration...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Michel Bauwens [mailto:michelsub2004 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2008 10:34 PM
> *To:* Samuel Rose
> *Cc:* Peer-To-Peer Research List; Burak Arikan; Lion Kimbro; Steve
> Bosserman
> *Subject:* Re: [p2p-research] Fwd: Meta-Markets updates
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> What you and Steve are referring to is knowledge that is translatable into
> exchange value, which is good and fine, but only part of  larger reality
> that has use value that is only translatable into other use value.
>
> Think of YouTube videos (100m watched per day), only a margin of which is
> monetizable. People are voting every day to use, but they are not paying for
> it; that doesn't make it 'with no value'.
>
> So the stock exchange idea, which creates money up front, then distributes
> according to valuation, might be a good idea to create some kind of income
> streams around such work,
>
> There are some ideas to distribute art subsidies in a similar way, i.e.
> the governmnt sets money aside, and people decide where to put that money
> collaboratively and individually ..
>
> Michel
>
> 2008/2/16 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:
>
> > Indeed. I see your point about valuing whole knowledge collections. And,
> > I think as people start to collaborate with their knowledge collections,
> > there could be value there, too.
> >
> >
> > Another thing is what about sites like http://p2pfoundation.net,
> > meatball wiki, http://communitywiki.org,
> > http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/HiveChanges or any knowledge
> > commons? Would be neat to be able to create some kind of IPO connected to
> > community-driven knowledge collaborations.
> >
> > I am keen to read Burak's post, and to understand what the future of
> > these markets might be. One thing could simply be a kind of vote of
> > confidence to show people where a lot of other people think that value is, I
> > suppose. Also, it seems like there could be actual alternative economies
> > built up around these trading markets. Like they could become and
> > alternative currency-based foundation for alternative economies.
> >
> > A consensus that both myself and Steve Bosserman (copied this email to
> > him) have come to is that the economies that seem to be emerging around
> > knowledge commons collections are economies of deliverable value. This is
> > another way to say that people are now mostly only willing to pay for
> > knowledge that is packaged and delivered into solutions that they can
> > actually use right now in their own processes and work, to solve problems
> > they care about solving.
> >
> > But, how to sort through all of the open knowledge out there, and figure
> > out what is a useful set of building blocks for putting together and
> > packaging those solutions? Maybe these markets are at least one way? Maybe
> > if these trading markets, that value knowledge products, were carefully run,
> > they could create one way for people to rate, or even bet on, the current
> > and future value of open knowledge collections, based not on how easy they
> > are to "monetize" or profit from, but how useful they are for creating
> > real-world solutions, for instance.
> >
> > One of the items on my To-Do list was to create a filtering application
> > that would let myself, Steve, and others, collaboratively rate and evaluate,
> > and improve and repackage open licensed knowledge into useful educational
> > materials. It is totally possible that a parallel process could involve
> > markets, for the reasons that I discuss here:
> >
> >
> > http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/CollectiveProblemSolving/PredictionMarket
> >
> >
> > Pretty much the same set of reasons why it can be useful to employ
> > prediction markets along with "collective intelligence" efforts that are
> > based around deliberation, since markets are a non-deliberation-based way to
> > aggregate intelligence from a group, while avoiding some of the negative
> > side effects that can emerge from deliberation. If deliberative processes
> > are also offered, than those that resonate with deliberation may engage, and
> > those who are more interested in engaging through a market driven process
> > could have access to that. The collaborative filtering from both processes
> > could then potentially better inform a determination of value than either
> > process alone.
> >
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > 2008/2/15 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hi Sam,
> > >
> > > I have asked Burak to write about the experience so far for the blog,
> > > and your own comment would then be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > They pulled the plug on individual bookmarks, to change it to bookmark
> > > accounts, which always made more sense to me. It could be one of the ways to
> > > evaluate value of larger immaterial projects such as our intensive
> > > bookmarking. One item does not make much sense to me, but several years work
> > > of finetuning a knowledge collection does,
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > > 2008/2/16 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I did a test run by registerig and doign an IPO with a few of my
> > > > popular del.icio.us bookmarks. It was interesting, but the site is
> > > > apparently just an excercise/experiment at this point. It is at this point a
> > > > trading of shares in an alternative currency.
> > > >
> > > > It could become more interesting if they start connecting with other
> > > > alternative currencies, like maybe Second Life linden dollars, or other alt
> > > > currencies that actually have value.
> > > >
> > > > Right now I have a balance of *114.80*β  (* ***β = Burikans)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But, they have apparently pulled my IPO's from the site (or maybe
> > > > they were automatically de-listed due to inactivity after a while?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Probably would be worth talking to Burak to see where he hopes all
> > > > of this will end up eventually.
> > > >
> > > >   On Feb 15, 2008 1:22 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Has anyone been following this, any perspectives on the evolution
> > > > > of this first p2p stock market?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > From: Burak Arikan <arikan at media.mit.edu>
> > > > > Date: Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: Meta-Markets updates
> > > > > To: postmaster at meta-markets.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  Dear Meta-Markets participant,
> > > > >
> > > > > We would like to give you an update about some changes that will
> > > > > take place in Meta-Markets this weekend.
> > > > >
> > > > > Saturday-Sunday, Feb 16-17
> > > > >
> > > > > + Del.icio.us Market will now include Del.icio.us accounts instead
> > > > > of single bookmarks as entities.
> > > > > As you know stocks in Del.icio.us Market have been bookmarks so
> > > > > far, contrasting the rest of the markets where the stocks are account-based.
> > > > > Del.icio.us market has been a one-off experiment and we all
> > > > > enjoyed this experimental model. However, based on our observations and the
> > > > > responses we get from active participants, we realized that
> > > > > Del.icio.us stocks are dominating the markets in an unfair way and
> > > > > it is time to transition Del.icio.us Market into an account-based
> > > > > market. Once transition is complete, the Del.icio.us stocks will
> > > > > be removed from your portfolio and you will be refunded the total amount of
> > > > > your Del.icio.us stocks' worth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sunday, Feb 17
> > > > >
> > > > > + Fair Value calculations will be updated in all markets based on
> > > > > new formulas.
> > > > > In the new fair value formulas, we have incorporated more
> > > > > parameters (e.g. amount of content generated,  efficiency of
> > > > > social network etc.) in order to have a more accurate reflection of the
> > > > > stock's performance in its respective domain. Also, we are hoping that this
> > > > > will contribute to the re-balance stock values across all markets.
> > > > >
> > > > > + Market Activities interface will be re-organized to show
> > > > > information more relevant to your stocks.
> > > > > The new market activities section will highlight your stocks
> > > > > within the all market activities stream. Also, we will integrate an icon
> > > > > vocabulary to help visually differentiate the types of activities.
> > > > >
> > > > > + Finally each stock page will show recent content activity in the
> > > > > stock's respective domain.
> > > > > For example, a Flickr stock will feature the latest photos
> > > > > uploaded, a Feedburner stock will include the summary of the latest blog
> > > > > post etc. This will help reinforce the connection between the account
> > > > > activity in its domain and the stock's activity in Meta-Markets. Also, we
> > > > > will have more up-to-date content within markets.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's it for now! More to come. Let us know if you have any
> > > > > concerns about these changes, simply by replying to this email.
> > > > > Meta-Markets Team
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > Social Synergy
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> > Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
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> > http://communitywiki.org
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> > http://del.icio.us/srose
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>
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