[p2p-research] Fwd: Meta-Markets updates

Sat Feb 16 04:33:33 CET 2008

Hi Sam,

What you and Steve are referring to is knowledge that is translatable into
exchange value, which is good and fine, but only part of  larger reality
that has use value that is only translatable into other use value.

Think of YouTube videos (100m watched per day), only a margin of which is
monetizable. People are voting every day to use, but they are not paying for
it; that doesn't make it 'with no value'.

So the stock exchange idea, which creates money up front, then distributes
according to valuation, might be a good idea to create some kind of income
streams around such work,

There are some ideas to distribute art subsidies in a similar way, i.e. the
governmnt sets money aside, and people decide where to put that money
collaboratively and individually ..

Michel

2008/2/16 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:

> Indeed. I see your point about valuing whole knowledge collections. And, I
> think as people start to collaborate with their knowledge collections, there
> could be value there, too.
>
>
> Another thing is what about sites like http://p2pfoundation.net, meatball
> wiki, http://communitywiki.org,
> http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/HiveChanges or any knowledge
> commons? Would be neat to be able to create some kind of IPO connected to
> community-driven knowledge collaborations.
>
> I am keen to read Burak's post, and to understand what the future of these
> markets might be. One thing could simply be a kind of vote of confidence to
> show people where a lot of other people think that value is, I suppose.
> Also, it seems like there could be actual alternative economies built up
> around these trading markets. Like they could become and alternative
> currency-based foundation for alternative economies.
>
> A consensus that both myself and Steve Bosserman (copied this email to
> him) have come to is that the economies that seem to be emerging around
> knowledge commons collections are economies of deliverable value. This is
> another way to say that people are now mostly only willing to pay for
> knowledge that is packaged and delivered into solutions that they can
> actually use right now in their own processes and work, to solve problems
> they care about solving.
>
> But, how to sort through all of the open knowledge out there, and figure
> out what is a useful set of building blocks for putting together and
> packaging those solutions? Maybe these markets are at least one way? Maybe
> if these trading markets, that value knowledge products, were carefully run,
> they could create one way for people to rate, or even bet on, the current
> and future value of open knowledge collections, based not on how easy they
> are to "monetize" or profit from, but how useful they are for creating
> real-world solutions, for instance.
>
> One of the items on my To-Do list was to create a filtering application
> that would let myself, Steve, and others, collaboratively rate and evaluate,
> and improve and repackage open licensed knowledge into useful educational
> materials. It is totally possible that a parallel process could involve
> markets, for the reasons that I discuss here:
>
> http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/CollectiveProblemSolving/PredictionMarket
>
>
> Pretty much the same set of reasons why it can be useful to employ
> prediction markets along with "collective intelligence" efforts that are
> based around deliberation, since markets are a non-deliberation-based way to
> aggregate intelligence from a group, while avoiding some of the negative
> side effects that can emerge from deliberation. If deliberative processes
> are also offered, than those that resonate with deliberation may engage, and
> those who are more interested in engaging through a market driven process
> could have access to that. The collaborative filtering from both processes
> could then potentially better inform a determination of value than either
> process alone.
>
>
> Sam
>
> 2008/2/15 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Sam,
> >
> > I have asked Burak to write about the experience so far for the blog,
> > and your own comment would then be much appreciated.
> >
> > They pulled the plug on individual bookmarks, to change it to bookmark
> > accounts, which always made more sense to me. It could be one of the ways to
> > evaluate value of larger immaterial projects such as our intensive
> > bookmarking. One item does not make much sense to me, but several years work
> > of finetuning a knowledge collection does,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > 2008/2/16 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:
> >
> > I did a test run by registerig and doign an IPO with a few of my popular
> > > del.icio.us bookmarks. It was interesting, but the site is apparently
> > > just an excercise/experiment at this point. It is at this point a trading of
> > > shares in an alternative currency.
> > >
> > > It could become more interesting if they start connecting with other
> > > alternative currencies, like maybe Second Life linden dollars, or other alt
> > > currencies that actually have value.
> > >
> > > Right now I have a balance of *114.80*β  (* ***β = Burikans)
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > But, they have apparently pulled my IPO's from the site (or maybe they
> > > were automatically de-listed due to inactivity after a while?)
> > >
> > >
> > > Probably would be worth talking to Burak to see where he hopes all of
> > > this will end up eventually.
> > >
> > > On Feb 15, 2008 1:22 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Has anyone been following this, any perspectives on the evolution of
> > > > this first p2p stock market?
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: Burak Arikan <arikan at media.mit.edu>
> > > > Date: Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Meta-Markets updates
> > > > To: postmaster at meta-markets.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Meta-Markets participant,
> > > >
> > > > We would like to give you an update about some changes that will
> > > > take place in Meta-Markets this weekend.
> > > >
> > > > Saturday-Sunday, Feb 16-17
> > > >
> > > > + Del.icio.us Market will now include Del.icio.us accounts instead
> > > > of single bookmarks as entities.
> > > > As you know stocks in Del.icio.us Market have been bookmarks so far,
> > > > contrasting the rest of the markets where the stocks are account-based.
> > > > Del.icio.us market has been a one-off experiment and we all enjoyed
> > > > this experimental model. However, based on our observations and the
> > > > responses we get from active participants, we realized that
> > > > Del.icio.us stocks are dominating the markets in an unfair way and
> > > > it is time to transition Del.icio.us Market into an account-based
> > > > market. Once transition is complete, the Del.icio.us stocks will be
> > > > removed from your portfolio and you will be refunded the total amount of
> > > > your Del.icio.us stocks' worth.
> > > >
> > > > Sunday, Feb 17
> > > >
> > > > + Fair Value calculations will be updated in all markets based on
> > > > new formulas.
> > > > In the new fair value formulas, we have incorporated more parameters
> > > > (e.g. amount of content generated,  efficiency of social network
> > > > etc.) in order to have a more accurate reflection of the stock's performance
> > > > in its respective domain. Also, we are hoping that this will contribute to
> > > > the re-balance stock values across all markets.
> > > >
> > > > + Market Activities interface will be re-organized to show
> > > > information more relevant to your stocks.
> > > > The new market activities section will highlight your stocks within
> > > > the all market activities stream. Also, we will integrate an icon vocabulary
> > > > to help visually differentiate the types of activities.
> > > >
> > > > + Finally each stock page will show recent content activity in the
> > > > stock's respective domain.
> > > > For example, a Flickr stock will feature the latest photos uploaded,
> > > > a Feedburner stock will include the summary of the latest blog post etc.
> > > > This will help reinforce the connection between the account activity in its
> > > > domain and the stock's activity in Meta-Markets. Also, we will have more
> > > > up-to-date content within markets.
> > > >
> > > > That's it for now! More to come. Let us know if you have any
> > > > concerns about these changes, simply by replying to this email.
> > > > Meta-Markets Team
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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