[p2p-research] Fwd: Meta-Markets updates

Sat Feb 16 04:26:25 CET 2008

Indeed. I see your point about valuing whole knowledge collections. And, I
think as people start to collaborate with their knowledge collections, there
could be value there, too.

Another thing is what about sites like http://p2pfoundation.net, meatball
wiki, http://communitywiki.org,
http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/HiveChanges or any knowledge
commons? Would be neat to be able to create some kind of IPO connected to
community-driven knowledge collaborations.

I am keen to read Burak's post, and to understand what the future of these
markets might be. One thing could simply be a kind of vote of confidence to
show people where a lot of other people think that value is, I suppose.
Also, it seems like there could be actual alternative economies built up
around these trading markets. Like they could become and alternative
currency-based foundation for alternative economies.

A consensus that both myself and Steve Bosserman (copied this email to him)
have come to is that the economies that seem to be emerging around knowledge
commons collections are economies of deliverable value. This is another way
to say that people are now mostly only willing to pay for knowledge that is
packaged and delivered into solutions that they can actually use right now
in their own processes and work, to solve problems they care about solving.

But, how to sort through all of the open knowledge out there, and figure out
what is a useful set of building blocks for putting together and packaging
those solutions? Maybe these markets are at least one way? Maybe if these
trading markets, that value knowledge products, were carefully run, they
could create one way for people to rate, or even bet on, the current and
future value of open knowledge collections, based not on how easy they are
to "monetize" or profit from, but how useful they are for creating
real-world solutions, for instance.

One of the items on my To-Do list was to create a filtering application that
would let myself, Steve, and others, collaboratively rate and evaluate, and
improve and repackage open licensed knowledge into useful educational
materials. It is totally possible that a parallel process could involve
markets, for the reasons that I discuss here:

http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/CollectiveProblemSolving/PredictionMarket

Pretty much the same set of reasons why it can be useful to employ
prediction markets along with "collective intelligence" efforts that are
based around deliberation, since markets are a non-deliberation-based way to
aggregate intelligence from a group, while avoiding some of the negative
side effects that can emerge from deliberation. If deliberative processes
are also offered, than those that resonate with deliberation may engage, and
those who are more interested in engaging through a market driven process
could have access to that. The collaborative filtering from both processes
could then potentially better inform a determination of value than either
process alone.

Sam

2008/2/15 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:

> Hi Sam,
>
> I have asked Burak to write about the experience so far for the blog, and
> your own comment would then be much appreciated.
>
> They pulled the plug on individual bookmarks, to change it to bookmark
> accounts, which always made more sense to me. It could be one of the ways to
> evaluate value of larger immaterial projects such as our intensive
> bookmarking. One item does not make much sense to me, but several years work
> of finetuning a knowledge collection does,
>
> Michel
>
> 2008/2/16 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:
>
> I did a test run by registerig and doign an IPO with a few of my popular
> > del.icio.us bookmarks. It was interesting, but the site is apparently
> > just an excercise/experiment at this point. It is at this point a trading of
> > shares in an alternative currency.
> >
> > It could become more interesting if they start connecting with other
> > alternative currencies, like maybe Second Life linden dollars, or other alt
> > currencies that actually have value.
> >
> > Right now I have a balance of *114.80*β  (* ***β = Burikans)
> >
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> > But, they have apparently pulled my IPO's from the site (or maybe they
> > were automatically de-listed due to inactivity after a while?)
> >
> >
> > Probably would be worth talking to Burak to see where he hopes all of
> > this will end up eventually.
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2008 1:22 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone been following this, any perspectives on the evolution of
> > > this first p2p stock market?
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: Burak Arikan <arikan at media.mit.edu>
> > > Date: Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:39 AM
> > > Subject: Meta-Markets updates
> > > To: postmaster at meta-markets.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Meta-Markets participant,
> > >
> > > We would like to give you an update about some changes that will take
> > > place in Meta-Markets this weekend.
> > >
> > > Saturday-Sunday, Feb 16-17
> > >
> > > + Del.icio.us Market will now include Del.icio.us accounts instead of
> > > single bookmarks as entities.
> > > As you know stocks in Del.icio.us Market have been bookmarks so far,
> > > contrasting the rest of the markets where the stocks are account-based.
> > > Del.icio.us market has been a one-off experiment and we all enjoyed
> > > this experimental model. However, based on our observations and the
> > > responses we get from active participants, we realized that
> > > Del.icio.us stocks are dominating the markets in an unfair way and it
> > > is time to transition Del.icio.us Market into an account-based market.
> > > Once transition is complete, the Del.icio.us stocks will be removed
> > > from your portfolio and you will be refunded the total amount of your
> > > Del.icio.us stocks' worth.
> > >
> > > Sunday, Feb 17
> > >
> > > + Fair Value calculations will be updated in all markets based on new
> > > formulas.
> > > In the new fair value formulas, we have incorporated more parameters (
> > > e.g. amount of content generated,  efficiency of social network etc.)
> > > in order to have a more accurate reflection of the stock's performance in
> > > its respective domain. Also, we are hoping that this will contribute to the
> > > re-balance stock values across all markets.
> > >
> > > + Market Activities interface will be re-organized to show information
> > > more relevant to your stocks.
> > > The new market activities section will highlight your stocks within
> > > the all market activities stream. Also, we will integrate an icon vocabulary
> > > to help visually differentiate the types of activities.
> > >
> > > + Finally each stock page will show recent content activity in the
> > > stock's respective domain.
> > > For example, a Flickr stock will feature the latest photos uploaded, a
> > > Feedburner stock will include the summary of the latest blog post etc. This
> > > will help reinforce the connection between the account activity in its
> > > domain and the stock's activity in Meta-Markets. Also, we will have more
> > > up-to-date content within markets.
> > >
> > > That's it for now! More to come. Let us know if you have any concerns
> > > about these changes, simply by replying to this email.
> > > Meta-Markets Team
> > >
> > >
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http://barcampbank.org
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