[p2p-research] mode of production shootout

Mon Feb 11 20:08:53 CET 2008

Well, it's actually Marcin's creation, the name anyway.

I think he's wide open to anything that helps simplify his work into
something that is easier to understand, so please do plug your suggestions
at least into the talk page, if not on the actual page itself.

I understand now what you were trying to accomplish with the table. It makes
sense, and I know you are not yet finished, so it wouldn't be fair of me to
get too critical yet.

I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to make comparison in the table. I
just mostly wanted to try and understand the spectrum your were outlining
though the lens of an evolving real-world application.

Anyway, I really like the work you are doing, and hope that you keep it up,
and I promise to engage it more as time permits

Sam
On Feb 11, 2008 12:56 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is *because* of the only slight differences between mode[l]s that I
> made the table; and to also highlight how they were the same.
>
> I actually just added the column right before reading this mail, but
> will just undo the change if you would rather not make the comparison.
>
> By the way, I've wondered if 'Neocommerce' might be less of a
> mouthful, but of course that is your business (trademark).
>
> Patrick
>
> On Feb 11, 2008 8:49 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Patrick,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > I asked this question, because it's my experience that in real-world
> > practice, different applications are "mixing" some elements of these
> "modes"
> > together. The conditions of the world itself often do not allow the
> actual
> > application of just one conceptually pure mode of production,
> distribution,
> > etc.
> >
> > In the case of the http://p2pfoundation.net/Neocommercialization example
> I
> > am helping Marcin work on applying right now, Marcin is commercializing
> copy
> > lefted designs, by first asking people to co-fund his creation and
> > development of the product through many different cycles that will lead
> up
> > to the product being available for sale at the cost of labor and
> materials
> > only.
> >
> > This is not (yet) a "User Owner" or "PropertyFarLeft" model, because
> > investors and users do not become full legal "owners" of anything.
> Instead,
> > they co-fund to help a team of people evolve a technology to the point
> of
> > being ready for commercial production, yet also released under a
> copyleft
> > license.
> >
> > Although, Marcin also wants to bring interested folks to his location,
> show
> > them how to use the equipment, in exchange for those people turning out
> a
> > few products as part of their learning process. Those people will then
> be
> > able to go and replicate his business.
> >
> > Marcin will also be able to sell his finished product to contractors,
> > builders, and others, who just want to buy a finished product (such as a
> > compressed earth block making machine, etc)
> >
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that this model that Marcin
> has
> > come up with, (with some small contribution from myself), has some
> elements
> > of the different modes that you talk about in
> > http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Mode_Of_Production_Shootout
> >
> > I actually don't think that
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Neocommercialization
> > needs a new entry in your table. Instead, I think that
> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Neocommercialization as I am describing it, is
> > already defined by different elements in your table.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 9, 2008 2:54 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sam, Mich[a]el, and other researching peers,
> > >
> > >
> > > Samuel Rose wrote:
> > > > How do you see something like
> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Neocommercialization
> > > > fitting into these categories (if at all)?
> > >
> > > Hey Sam.
> > >
> > > I found Marcin's SourceOpen.org stuff maybe back in 2003 [
> > > http://web.archive.org/web/20031231194735/http://www.sourceopen.org ]
> > > when I was trying to get the "Permaculture Propagation Project" and
> > > the more general "Communityism" ideas going.
> > >
> > > I have alot of respect for his "Open Source Ecology", "Open Farm Tech"
> > > and now "Neocommercialization" initiatives, and of course for your
> > > help with them.
> > >
> > > I've been thinking about this shootout idea for quite a while now, but
> > > suddenly got the urge to work on it "in the open" before thinking it
> > > through fully because that tends to only cause me too much
> > > procrastination...
> > >
> > > I definitely want to include more Modes, but have some
> questions/trouble:
> > >
> > > 1. I am not always sure what to name them.
> > > 2. The table is already kinda cramped.  Maybe we could break it into
> > > two or more tables?
> > > 3. I'm not sure User:Mattcoop even considers "Open Enterprise" a Mode,
> > > so would you please replace it for now with Neocommercialization (or
> > > whatever title you prefer).
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel Bauwens wrote:
> > > > I would appreciate if you would introduce it to our blog readers, in
> a
> > > > language that is accessible to laypeople not yet immersed in those
> > debates,
> > >
> > > Sorry to be daft, but I'm not really sure what you mean.
> > >
> > > Maybe you could give it a go and I'll try to fill-in with whatever
> > > seems missing (insert questions in your explanation if that will
> > > help).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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