[p2p-research] Wikipedia, Citizendium, Eduzendium

Jon Awbrey jawbrey at att.net
Wed Feb 6 14:14:36 CET 2008


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[Note to Greg: Do Not Read Until You Get Back From Vacation!!!]

I, on the other will be attending
to a busted water heater here in
the sunny North ... just barely
time for a very brief note ...

Michel,

Here is a the short article that Greg Kohs posted
on the Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Blog about the links
between Wikia and Wikimedia:

"The Tight-Knit Web of Wikimedia and Wikia":
http://wikipediareview.com/blog/20070821/the-tight-knit-web-of-wikimedia-and-wikia/

Also, I see that they have just started a thread on this subject at the WR Forum:

"50 Ways That Connect Wikia/Wikimedia":
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=15648

So maybe these pieces will help cut through the fog a bit.

I will prevail on Greg to think about this again
when he gets back from Florida, as I do not have
the investigative skills to read financial reports
and government filing forms without falling asleep ...

Gotta run ...

Jon Awbrey 

Michel Bauwens wrote,
>
> Hi Jon,
> 
> I think it is interesting that you would pursue
> the axis of conflict of interest as well.
> 
> I have the habit of distinguish 3 main business models,
> 1) selling the attention of sharers by platform owners;
> 2) building a business on top of the commons and
>    benefit sharing (IBM vs. Linux);
> 3) crowdsourcing (getting a percentage
>    on sales by distributed producers)
> 
> I think they are all three legitimate in current society.
> 
> For example, to become sustainable, I'm hoping to one day create
> a business that can mobilize what I have learned from working on
> the p2pfoundation
> 
> I would do this without any prejudice to any other person or
> group wanting to do the same, as the commons is for everybody,
> 
> Usually, as far as I'm aware, safeguards are built in,
> so that for example, the Linux foundation, has only one
> vote per company, so that none can dominate
> 
> So what 'exactly' is wrong with Jimmy Wales, his for-profit ventures,
> and the wikipedia community? In my view, business ventures are legitimate;
> the wikipedia content is open to everybody (and many companies are making
> a living from it already, not just his),
> 
> so what is the precise point of the criticism
> 
> I read somewhere, that they are also on the board, I"m not sure that this
> is by itself a strong critique, as long as this is transparent, they have
> been elected in democratic procedures, and safeguards are built in against
> domination of a particular interest.
> 
> Again, it would be nice to have a formal little article on this,
> for publication, in which you can also make general points that
> are valid for everybody
> 
> I'm not trying to give you work, but I think it is important
> to add your insights in the collective learning experiences
> about peer governance, and that our p2p forums are well-suited
> for that.
> 
> Michel
> 
> On Feb 5, 2008 9:00 PM, Jon Awbrey <jawbrey at att.net> wrote:
> 
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>      [Forwarding an envoi from Greg Kohs]
> 
>      > Subject: Re: [p2p-research] Wikipedia, Citizendium, Eduzendium, ...
>      >    Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:42:03 -0500
>      >    From: "Gregory Kohs" <thekohser at gmail.com>
>      >      To: "Michel Bauwens" <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>      >      CC: "Jon Awbrey" <jawbrey at att.net>
>      > References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9
>      >
>      > I guess I just didn't see how my main "axe to grind" would be
>      > fitting into the discussion.  Plus, I'm on vacation in the Florida
>      > Keys, so my dialog would be at the ever-present disdain of my wife.
>      >
>      > If I had to sum up my concerns about Wikipedia, it would fall under
>      > the "God-King" governance and illegitimate leadership for building
>      > an encyclopedia.  Not one person on the current or previous Boards
>      > of Trustees or on the Arbitration Committee (that I know of) has
>      > any real-world experience whatsoever in publishing an encyclopedia
>      > of any kind.
>      >
>      > Jimmy Wales was a non-descript options market trader/researcher
>      > who then dallied in an Internet "web ring" site that became best
>      > known for images of topless women.  That's the God-King of the
>      > world's largest compendium of human knowledge?  It wouldn't be
>      > so bad if Wales knew how to run Wikipedia by delegating authority
>      > to true experts, but instead he constantly asserts his authority
>      > and deprecates the authority of others under him.  And to top it off,
>      > he's ethically compromised by running a for-profit venture completely
>      > on the coattails of the non-profit, donation-funded organization.
>      > I truly am surprised that the IRS has not yet stepped in.
>      >
>      > Well, that's about it from me.  You are more than welcome to forward this
>      > little note to the mailing list, but I don't see that I'll have the time
>      > to continue participating, so I do appreciate your removing me from the
>      > mailer.  I, of course, wish you and your colleagues the best of luck in
>      > finding your way to the different truths about peer-to-peer collaboration.
>      >
>      > Kindly,
>      >
>      > Greg
>      >
>      > --
>      > Gregory Kohs
>      > Cell: 302.463.1354
>      >
>      >
>      > On Feb 4, 2008 10:51 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>      >
>      > I will remove you, but it would have been more than interesting to have some
>      > of your emotionally charged diatribes, that would be informative by itself ...
>      >
>      > Michel

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