[p2p-research] Wikipedia, Citizendium, Eduzendium
Jon Awbrey
jawbrey at att.net
Wed Feb 6 14:14:36 CET 2008
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[Note to Greg: Do Not Read Until You Get Back From Vacation!!!]
I, on the other will be attending
to a busted water heater here in
the sunny North ... just barely
time for a very brief note ...
Michel,
Here is a the short article that Greg Kohs posted
on the Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Blog about the links
between Wikia and Wikimedia:
"The Tight-Knit Web of Wikimedia and Wikia":
http://wikipediareview.com/blog/20070821/the-tight-knit-web-of-wikimedia-and-wikia/
Also, I see that they have just started a thread on this subject at the WR Forum:
"50 Ways That Connect Wikia/Wikimedia":
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=15648
So maybe these pieces will help cut through the fog a bit.
I will prevail on Greg to think about this again
when he gets back from Florida, as I do not have
the investigative skills to read financial reports
and government filing forms without falling asleep ...
Gotta run ...
Jon Awbrey
Michel Bauwens wrote,
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> I think it is interesting that you would pursue
> the axis of conflict of interest as well.
>
> I have the habit of distinguish 3 main business models,
> 1) selling the attention of sharers by platform owners;
> 2) building a business on top of the commons and
> benefit sharing (IBM vs. Linux);
> 3) crowdsourcing (getting a percentage
> on sales by distributed producers)
>
> I think they are all three legitimate in current society.
>
> For example, to become sustainable, I'm hoping to one day create
> a business that can mobilize what I have learned from working on
> the p2pfoundation
>
> I would do this without any prejudice to any other person or
> group wanting to do the same, as the commons is for everybody,
>
> Usually, as far as I'm aware, safeguards are built in,
> so that for example, the Linux foundation, has only one
> vote per company, so that none can dominate
>
> So what 'exactly' is wrong with Jimmy Wales, his for-profit ventures,
> and the wikipedia community? In my view, business ventures are legitimate;
> the wikipedia content is open to everybody (and many companies are making
> a living from it already, not just his),
>
> so what is the precise point of the criticism
>
> I read somewhere, that they are also on the board, I"m not sure that this
> is by itself a strong critique, as long as this is transparent, they have
> been elected in democratic procedures, and safeguards are built in against
> domination of a particular interest.
>
> Again, it would be nice to have a formal little article on this,
> for publication, in which you can also make general points that
> are valid for everybody
>
> I'm not trying to give you work, but I think it is important
> to add your insights in the collective learning experiences
> about peer governance, and that our p2p forums are well-suited
> for that.
>
> Michel
>
> On Feb 5, 2008 9:00 PM, Jon Awbrey <jawbrey at att.net> wrote:
>
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> [Forwarding an envoi from Greg Kohs]
>
> > Subject: Re: [p2p-research] Wikipedia, Citizendium, Eduzendium, ...
> > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:42:03 -0500
> > From: "Gregory Kohs" <thekohser at gmail.com>
> > To: "Michel Bauwens" <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> > CC: "Jon Awbrey" <jawbrey at att.net>
> > References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9
> >
> > I guess I just didn't see how my main "axe to grind" would be
> > fitting into the discussion. Plus, I'm on vacation in the Florida
> > Keys, so my dialog would be at the ever-present disdain of my wife.
> >
> > If I had to sum up my concerns about Wikipedia, it would fall under
> > the "God-King" governance and illegitimate leadership for building
> > an encyclopedia. Not one person on the current or previous Boards
> > of Trustees or on the Arbitration Committee (that I know of) has
> > any real-world experience whatsoever in publishing an encyclopedia
> > of any kind.
> >
> > Jimmy Wales was a non-descript options market trader/researcher
> > who then dallied in an Internet "web ring" site that became best
> > known for images of topless women. That's the God-King of the
> > world's largest compendium of human knowledge? It wouldn't be
> > so bad if Wales knew how to run Wikipedia by delegating authority
> > to true experts, but instead he constantly asserts his authority
> > and deprecates the authority of others under him. And to top it off,
> > he's ethically compromised by running a for-profit venture completely
> > on the coattails of the non-profit, donation-funded organization.
> > I truly am surprised that the IRS has not yet stepped in.
> >
> > Well, that's about it from me. You are more than welcome to forward this
> > little note to the mailing list, but I don't see that I'll have the time
> > to continue participating, so I do appreciate your removing me from the
> > mailer. I, of course, wish you and your colleagues the best of luck in
> > finding your way to the different truths about peer-to-peer collaboration.
> >
> > Kindly,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > --
> > Gregory Kohs
> > Cell: 302.463.1354
> >
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2008 10:51 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I will remove you, but it would have been more than interesting to have some
> > of your emotionally charged diatribes, that would be informative by itself ...
> >
> > Michel
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