[p2p-research] [P2P Foundation] From Citizendium To Eduzendium

[Michel Bauwens]

Hi Henrik,

I think your last paragraph makes the key point: a good governance process
would allow to correct the mistake of the leadership, replace them
eventually, etc...

I think a lot more need to be said about the undemocratic nature of free
sofrware projects

Undemocratic does not necessarily mean anti-democratic ... As we have
strong-willed and capable individuals voluntarily contributing, they must
have a strong degree of autonomy in cooperation, undeterred by those
undemocratic elements of the system, which are accepted as mechanisms of
excellence selection.

Could you elaborate on this,

and when thus undemocratic change into anti-democratic abuse and
exploitation, where is the line

I'm also aware that many projects, apache, debian, use formal democratic
procedures, even for technical matters (at least apache I think),

Michel

On Feb 5, 2008 1:44 AM, Henrik Ingo <henrik.ingo at avoinelama.fi> wrote:

> Hi Michel, others
>
> After being out for a walk, I thought I should slightly adjust my position
> :-)
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 12:11 PM, Henrik Ingo <henrik.ingo at avoinelama.fi> wrote:
> > Sure, I completely agree that what is going on at wikipedia currently
> > is crazy. I just wanted to point out that elsewhere we have thriving
> > Open Source projects that are selective and undemocratic. So those
> > notions in themselves cannot be at fault.
>
> Thinking about it for a day, I still hold that many Open Source
> projects are undemocratic, however I think most that are successful
> put effort into encouraging new developments, even forks. (For
> instance, there are always multiple kernel trees, often 2 versions of
> samba, etc, but they are not considered forks since they are
> officially encouraged.) So yes, while there still exists a right to be
> selective, good projects at least accommodate for alternative
> solutions to co-exist, if not always including them.
>
> But still, I hold that the main failure of wikipedia is not
> deletionism, that is more like a symptom. The core problem is the
> governance process that allowed current leaders to become leaders.
>
> henrik
>
>
>
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