[p2p-research] [P2P Foundation] From Citizendium To Eduzendium

[Michel Bauwens]

Thanks Henrik,

I understand your point of deleting for quality, but the problem is that
notability has become an issue ...

why talk about Barbie, but not the number 2 and 3 in the same area ... why
talk about only very select cartoon titles, and not all .. this has nothing
to do with quality per se ....; most of all, the whole idea of eyeballs
making bugs shallow, has been abandoned with deletionism, since the deleted
articles are excluded from the process

In a digital environment, I see no objective reason to play the scarcity
game, which creates a priviliged power where it is unnecessary

Michel

On Feb 4, 2008 3:33 PM, Henrik Ingo <henrik.ingo at avoinelama.fi> wrote:

> On Feb 4, 2008 10:02 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > correct me if I'm wrong but in free software, it is most usually patches
> > that are refused, but nobody refuses anybody the right to try ...
> >
> > so the exclusion would refer to the process to select excellence, which
> is
> > vested in unelected, but respected maintainers
> >
> > the problem with wikipedia is that the deletionist editors have no
> > legitimacy to judge those articles and usually know less than the people
> > writing them, so that their biases become limiting factors ...
>
> Yes and no. I guess we have to be more explicit in how we map aspects
> of Wikipedia to Free Software and vice versa. As I see it
>  - anyone is free to try = anyone is free to write text or code
>  - anyone is free to publish this on the internet, a mailing list,
> even try to publish it on wikipedia until it is deleted
>  - deletion is an integral part of striving for excellence. Even in an
> inclusionist wikipedia you'd have to tidy up spam - at a minimum
>
> So the problem with wikipedia is not that deletion is possible, the
> problem is that wikipedia is now run by idiots. And that a lot of
> other people don't agree with the choices being made by those who de
> fact have the power in wikipedia. As Tere points out, the cure to that
> is typically to fork the project.
>
> So 1) wikipedia exists, 2) there are some people that hold the power
> in it 3) they've chosen to make it into a very selective encyclopedia
> instead of an inclusionist one (which is a choice I wouldn't agree
> with but a possible choice for a website to make) and 4) unfortunately
> the deletion of articles doesn't seem to sum up to "excellence",
> judgement seems to be based on many other factors than the quality of
> the article and experts are therefore alienated from contributing at
> all, creating a bad spiral effect.
>
> I'll say it again in slightly different terms. The desire to be
> "selective" is not the problem, but somehow Wikipedia has failed to
> arrive at the "excellence" part.
>
> But also, as I've previously noted, in an online medium there wouldn't
> be a need to be this selective at all. A rating system or some other
> softer mechanism (like CZ editing process) would be a better
> alternative than just rampant deleting.
>
> Does this make sense?
> henrik
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