[p2p-research] [P2P Foundation] From Citizendium To Eduzendium

[Michel Bauwens]

Tere,

thanks for that very important point, I completely agree that this is the
essence of what has gone wrong, in terms of how the new deletionism impacts
knowledge production, limiting it to mainstream interpretations
corresponding to the biases of the editors

Michel

On Feb 4, 2008 3:06 PM, Tere Vadén <tere.vaden at uta.fi> wrote:

>
>
> Henrik Ingo wrote:
> > Hi Jon, welcome to the list and for taking this discussion here too:
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2008 7:40 AM, Jon Awbrey <jawbrey at att.net> wrote:
> >> Let me begin with your definition of peer production,
> >> even though I remain a little troubled by a nagging
> >> sense that some essential element of equality is
> >> missing from the mix.
> >>
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> C. What does it say about the level of voluntary contribution
> >>    when there is a very high level of involuntary exclusion?
> >>
> >
> > Just as a side comment to the above: When talking about peer
> > production in general, one should not be too keen on seeing any
> > equality or egalitarianism in its processes. In fact, the principle of
> > "benevolent dictator" and meritocracy explicitly state that some
> > leaders of the project will use their own power above other, and those
> > leaders are often not elected to their positions in any democratic way
> > (and this works very well in Free Software). Exclusion again is a very
> > important ingredient to almost any successful Free Software project,
> > its users would expect everything but the most high quality
> > contributions to be excluded, again nothing wrong there.
> >
> > The problem with Wikipedia simply seems to be that a growing number of
> > people is disagreeing with the actions of its "leadership", that there
> > is exclusionism where there shouldn't be, etc. In fact, Wikipedia
> > would probably gain from a more explicit, yet still undemocratic
> > leadership. Now it seems that the more stubborn one always wins, this
> > is a terrible state of affairs. If a "dictatorship" powers where
> > clearly given to a small set of leaders, who wouldn't be acting behind
> > pseudonyms, it would be better than the current situation.
>
> The cure to this in F/LOSS is forking. Seems to me this should be soon
> done to Wikipedia; not necessarily changing much of the rules or
> settings, simply just forking. I would love an super-inclusionist fork,
> where only advertisement and spam is deleted.
>
> >
> > Even so, the Citizendium model with more rigid and democratic-like
> > governing processes is probably a very healthy step at this point, and
> > it may well be that for an encyclopedia project it is the right thing
> > to do. (Debian is an example from the Free Software world, where a
> > demcoratic governance model clearly is the best fit.)
>
> The advantage of a inclusionist-Wikipedia fork over Citizendium would be
> one of knowledge-production. I agree, Citizendium is probably the model
> for creating a reliable encyclopedia. But an i-Wikip would give a
> possibility to freedoms that might bring about new types of knowledges
> -unpoliced, unauthorised, street-level knowledges. This is what is
> always missing from an encyclopedia, and, sadly, the Wikip has been
> veering to a direction that will miss it, too. The power of a good
> Wikipedia is precisely the fact that there are more artciles on Pokemon
> than on Sociology.
>
> >
> > henrik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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