[p2p-research] new crowdsourcing book is out

Tue Aug 26 04:46:46 CEST 2008

I will talk about Jeff's book and use something like your title, though...

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, maybe I won't come down so judgmental on Jeff's book, but rather just
> talk about theory/developments in that blog post. Jeff is a nice guy, and I
> don't think he is driven by base motivations from what I can tell. He just
> doesn't look at things through the same lens, I think.
>
> Let me know where you park this in the blog and I will flesh it out with
> you there, if you want.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Sam,
>>
>> Could you use these remarks for a more formal blog article, I would then
>> plan to publish it before or after having jeff howe as book of the week ...
>> ?
>>
>> I would suggesta title like crowdsourcing vs ethical, community-driven
>> peer production systems.
>>
>> This is a really good time for your intervention, as the book will get a
>> fair share of attention
>>
>> Remember this one:
>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-crowdsourcing-is-peer-production/2007/03/08(I would appreciate if you can refer to that one at least)
>>
>> Here's our coverage in the past:
>>
>>
>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-digital-sharecropping-to-post-web-20-platform-independence/2008/08/02
>>
>>
>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/when-crowdsourcing-is-exploitation/2008/07/13
>>
>>
>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wired-magazine-on-crowdsourcing-and-distributed-labour-networks/2006/05/31
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sam,
>>>>
>>>> concerning hype cycles, I think we should be careful to distinguish our
>>>> own circles, even expanded with voices like Wired etc... with the more
>>>> general business population ... you'd be surprised ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. I also anticipate within the coming few years that the general
>>> business world, which is already starting to pay some attention to our
>>> circles, will begin the process of selectively  "co-opting" many of the
>>> ideas/concepts that originate and have developed among people in the circles
>>> we are involved in. Perhaps that will make the necessity to distinguish even
>>> more important?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and jeff is the same guy who started the hype in the first place with
>>>> his article in Wired ...
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff seems like a great guy, and I had followed his blog for a while
>>> starting a year ago when he first started spreading the "crowdsourcing"
>>> meme. After a while, my opinion of a lot of the "crowdsourcing" business
>>> schemes was that I think we (as in we humans on this world) can do at least
>>> a little bit better.
>>>
>>> I think a lot of the participants in the communities have also realized
>>> this, and many of them have moved on.
>>>
>>> Examples include the demise of Cambrian House:
>>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/12/when-crowdsourcing-fails-cambrian-house-headed-to-the-deadpool/
>>>
>>> (what is interesting there is that a huge amount of capital is *not*
>>> needed to carry out this concept)
>>>
>>> The lender exodus from prosper.com over a year ago, and their
>>> abandonment of the "group" requirement for obtaining loans
>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-prosper-lender-rebellion-and-the-us-creditborrowing-black-hole/2007/08/16and
>>> http://future.iftf.org/2007/08/finance-prosper.html
>>>
>>> http://www.crowdspirit.com/ is still under construction, still not a
>>> fully functioning project 2 years after it is started.
>>>
>>> Also, despite the initial hype behind http://aswarmofangels.com/participation dropped quite significantly last year around this time.
>>>
>>> These are a few examples, and I think I could find quite a few more. In
>>> at least 3 cases (not crowdspirit apparently), it appears to me that the
>>> problem boils down to the way that the community feels about being treated
>>> like an expendable resource (a "crowd" who can be "sourced", exploited,
>>> capitalized upon).
>>>
>>> Community participation and peer production can work, but the community
>>> needs to be allowed to establish themselves as a real commons, a
>>> self-governing system. They need to be listened to, because they can so
>>> easily leave. The early "crowdsourcing" attempts from a year ago or so, are
>>> actually burning a lot of people on the idea of peer production in general.
>>> The time is actually quite ripe for someone to come along and offer ethical,
>>> community-driven peer production systems. But this type of system is:
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. Probably should not be approached as a typical internet start up
>>>    venture seeking capital
>>>    2. Could have money-making businesses that are associated with it,
>>>    but itself should be managed as a commons
>>>
>>> more later..running out of time..
>>>
>>>
>>
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