[p2p-research] new crowdsourcing book is out

Tue Aug 26 04:45:53 CEST 2008

Ok, maybe I won't come down so judgmental on Jeff's book, but rather just
talk about theory/developments in that blog post. Jeff is a nice guy, and I
don't think he is driven by base motivations from what I can tell. He just
doesn't look at things through the same lens, I think.

Let me know where you park this in the blog and I will flesh it out with you
there, if you want.

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sam,
>
> Could you use these remarks for a more formal blog article, I would then
> plan to publish it before or after having jeff howe as book of the week ...
> ?
>
> I would suggesta title like crowdsourcing vs ethical, community-driven peer
> production systems.
>
> This is a really good time for your intervention, as the book will get a
> fair share of attention
>
> Remember this one:
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-crowdsourcing-is-peer-production/2007/03/08(I would appreciate if you can refer to that one at least)
>
> Here's our coverage in the past:
>
>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-digital-sharecropping-to-post-web-20-platform-independence/2008/08/02
>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/when-crowdsourcing-is-exploitation/2008/07/13
>
>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wired-magazine-on-crowdsourcing-and-distributed-labour-networks/2006/05/31
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sam,
>>>
>>> concerning hype cycles, I think we should be careful to distinguish our
>>> own circles, even expanded with voices like Wired etc... with the more
>>> general business population ... you'd be surprised ...
>>>
>>
>> I agree. I also anticipate within the coming few years that the general
>> business world, which is already starting to pay some attention to our
>> circles, will begin the process of selectively  "co-opting" many of the
>> ideas/concepts that originate and have developed among people in the circles
>> we are involved in. Perhaps that will make the necessity to distinguish even
>> more important?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and jeff is the same guy who started the hype in the first place with his
>>> article in Wired ...
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff seems like a great guy, and I had followed his blog for a while
>> starting a year ago when he first started spreading the "crowdsourcing"
>> meme. After a while, my opinion of a lot of the "crowdsourcing" business
>> schemes was that I think we (as in we humans on this world) can do at least
>> a little bit better.
>>
>> I think a lot of the participants in the communities have also realized
>> this, and many of them have moved on.
>>
>> Examples include the demise of Cambrian House:
>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/12/when-crowdsourcing-fails-cambrian-house-headed-to-the-deadpool/
>>
>> (what is interesting there is that a huge amount of capital is *not*
>> needed to carry out this concept)
>>
>> The lender exodus from prosper.com over a year ago, and their abandonment
>> of the "group" requirement for obtaining loans
>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-prosper-lender-rebellion-and-the-us-creditborrowing-black-hole/2007/08/16and
>> http://future.iftf.org/2007/08/finance-prosper.html
>>
>> http://www.crowdspirit.com/ is still under construction, still not a
>> fully functioning project 2 years after it is started.
>>
>> Also, despite the initial hype behind http://aswarmofangels.com/participation dropped quite significantly last year around this time.
>>
>> These are a few examples, and I think I could find quite a few more. In at
>> least 3 cases (not crowdspirit apparently), it appears to me that the
>> problem boils down to the way that the community feels about being treated
>> like an expendable resource (a "crowd" who can be "sourced", exploited,
>> capitalized upon).
>>
>> Community participation and peer production can work, but the community
>> needs to be allowed to establish themselves as a real commons, a
>> self-governing system. They need to be listened to, because they can so
>> easily leave. The early "crowdsourcing" attempts from a year ago or so, are
>> actually burning a lot of people on the idea of peer production in general.
>> The time is actually quite ripe for someone to come along and offer ethical,
>> community-driven peer production systems. But this type of system is:
>>
>>
>>    1. Probably should not be approached as a typical internet start up
>>    venture seeking capital
>>    2. Could have money-making businesses that are associated with it, but
>>    itself should be managed as a commons
>>
>> more later..running out of time..
>>
>>
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