[p2p-research] new crowdsourcing book is out

[Michel Bauwens]

Sam,

Could you use these remarks for a more formal blog article, I would then
plan to publish it before or after having jeff howe as book of the week ...
?

I would suggesta title like crowdsourcing vs ethical, community-driven peer
production systems.

This is a really good time for your intervention, as the book will get a
fair share of attention

Remember this one:
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-crowdsourcing-is-peer-production/2007/03/08(I
would appreciate if you can refer to that one at least)

Here's our coverage in the past:

http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-digital-sharecropping-to-post-web-20-platform-independence/2008/08/02

http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/when-crowdsourcing-is-exploitation/2008/07/13

http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wired-magazine-on-crowdsourcing-and-distributed-labour-networks/2006/05/31



On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> concerning hype cycles, I think we should be careful to distinguish our
>> own circles, even expanded with voices like Wired etc... with the more
>> general business population ... you'd be surprised ...
>>
>
> I agree. I also anticipate within the coming few years that the general
> business world, which is already starting to pay some attention to our
> circles, will begin the process of selectively  "co-opting" many of the
> ideas/concepts that originate and have developed among people in the circles
> we are involved in. Perhaps that will make the necessity to distinguish even
> more important?
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> and jeff is the same guy who started the hype in the first place with his
>> article in Wired ...
>>
>> Michel
>>
>
>
> Jeff seems like a great guy, and I had followed his blog for a while
> starting a year ago when he first started spreading the "crowdsourcing"
> meme. After a while, my opinion of a lot of the "crowdsourcing" business
> schemes was that I think we (as in we humans on this world) can do at least
> a little bit better.
>
> I think a lot of the participants in the communities have also realized
> this, and many of them have moved on.
>
> Examples include the demise of Cambrian House:
> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/12/when-crowdsourcing-fails-cambrian-house-headed-to-the-deadpool/
>
> (what is interesting there is that a huge amount of capital is *not* needed
> to carry out this concept)
>
> The lender exodus from prosper.com over a year ago, and their abandonment
> of the "group" requirement for obtaining loans
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-prosper-lender-rebellion-and-the-us-creditborrowing-black-hole/2007/08/16and
> http://future.iftf.org/2007/08/finance-prosper.html
>
> http://www.crowdspirit.com/ is still under construction, still not a fully
> functioning project 2 years after it is started.
>
> Also, despite the initial hype behind http://aswarmofangels.com/participation dropped quite significantly last year around this time.
>
> These are a few examples, and I think I could find quite a few more. In at
> least 3 cases (not crowdspirit apparently), it appears to me that the
> problem boils down to the way that the community feels about being treated
> like an expendable resource (a "crowd" who can be "sourced", exploited,
> capitalized upon).
>
> Community participation and peer production can work, but the community
> needs to be allowed to establish themselves as a real commons, a
> self-governing system. They need to be listened to, because they can so
> easily leave. The early "crowdsourcing" attempts from a year ago or so, are
> actually burning a lot of people on the idea of peer production in general.
> The time is actually quite ripe for someone to come along and offer ethical,
> community-driven peer production systems. But this type of system is:
>
>
>    1. Probably should not be approached as a typical internet start up
>    venture seeking capital
>    2. Could have money-making businesses that are associated with it, but
>    itself should be managed as a commons
>
> more later..running out of time..
>
>


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