[p2p-research] p2p resource pooling
Samuel Rose
samuel.rose at gmail.com
Thu Nov 29 14:55:12 CET 2007
Ok, I understand. Thanks so much for clarifying, Michel.
*>the principle is simple, you make the total of all contributions that
month, and take 40%, >that sum is simply given to each member of the pool in
turn, according to some alphabetic, >chronological, or lottery based order
....; the advantage is that you have a sizeable sum to >invest, that you
would not have saved on your own, but have access to thanks to the >pooling;
so one individual gets the full 40% each month.
*This is a great. *
*
On Nov 29, 2007 5:04 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam, one more precision.
>
> I think that the part that I want to keep easy, is the needs sharing part,
> i.e. that other 40%, whereby participants describe broadly what they want
> to use the money for, with some deliverable ...
Ok, makes sense.
>
>
> However, the 15% investment would go to something that indeed needs due
> diligence, as it is meant for the long term ...
Yes, and there are some tools we can use to do this due diligence, adn
"Project screening" for investment, emerging from the Fundcamp platform.
Plus, there is the opportunity to expand this part of the project into a
"mentoring" system for those projects that are not yet deemed fit to be
invested in (should the projects wish to be "mentored", that is).
Also, I think that some people who are reading this may have gotten "left in
the dust" about what this is:
Basically, this is an experiment to pool financial, and non-financial
depletable resources among individuals, in an informal, trust-based way,
that is structured to minize the need to engage corporate or governmental
beauraucracies as much as possible. Avoiding traditional debt and
traditional "venture captal", instead of creating a common pool resource,
that is governed collectively as a commons, and adapts to the collective
needs of the group.
The goal is to create a shared resource for the projects and activities of
participants.
Sam
>
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2007 6:02 AM, Samuel Rose < samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, for simple donation, it is legal in the US, too. There is a
> > requirement to pay taxes by the person doing the donation in the us, but
> > only if reach a certain amount per year:
> >
> > http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=164872,00.html
> >
> > I think that for a simple system, we should be ok. The christian sharing
> > groups you refer to don't have much in the way of legal infrastructure. They
> > just do it.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, let's recap what we have so far:
> >
> >
> > - Participants donate fixed amount of 5 euro per month
> > - 40% given back to contributors in a monthly pool of money
> > (Michel, maybe you can clarify what you meant here? Did you mean that 40% is
> > divided up evenly by the amount of participants and given back them?)
> > - 40% is available for for-benefit activities. People describe
> > their activities, and if x number of members say 'ok', the money is given to
> > them. Each contributor has an equal vote
> > - 15% is invested through a community decision in a venture that
> > can potentially generate a return. I would like to propose to add that the
> > proposals what this amount is invested in come from the members of the
> > community only, for now. returns from this investment are reported, and put
> > back into the pool.
> > - I will create a simple agreement that outlines this, and
> > everyone will agree, and/or retroactively agree upon entering the site.
> > - I will create a totally transparent report about money in/ money
> > out on a monthly basis.
> >
> >
> > Am I missing anything.
> >
> > I think Michel's suggestion about keeping the 15% investment simple,
> > just stating intent and deliverable, and keeping it based on trust is good.
> > For the 40% for-benefit, I thought it could be useful for participants to
> > voluntarily list what their needs are, and that people might opt to also
> > contribute in-kind donations of surplus resources. This could be an option.
> > More also on this in an email following this one...
> >
> > In any case, I will finish up the above items over the next few days,
> > and we can move forward with "beta testing" among the beginning dozen of us.
> >
> >
> > Sam
> >
> >
> > On Nov 24, 2007 9:19 PM, Michel Bauwens < michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with Ned that we have to keep the legal stuff to a minimum,
> > > and solve the situation as we go.
> > >
> > > Perhaps sam can look in the christian needs sharing groups in the US,
> > > this is very similar to what we propose and they have been doing it for
> > > years.
> > >
> > > We are simply 'giving' money to be each other, and at least in europe,
> > > that is a free and legal activity (perhaps within certain bounds that I'm
> > > not aware of)
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 25, 2007 3:16 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 24, 2007 1:59 PM, Ned Rossiter <ned at nedrossiter.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > it's great to see these developments racing ahead, but I think
> > > > > there's something tragic about the funding legal fees in the first
> > > > > instance. That's one of the reasons I'm not an advocate of CC -
> > > > > all
> > > > > rounds eventually lead to the lawyer's bank account.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ned, you raise a good point. I think that while we are "beat
> > > > testing" we can just have an informal agreement amongst ourselves, while we
> > > > explore the simplest way to organize this.
> > > >
> > > > I will tell you that I do participate in a money pooling experiment
> > > > that has absolutely no formalization or legal vetting: http://scommunitywiki.org/CommunityWikibank
> > > > but that group has a very high amount of co-evolved trust over time.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I trust everyone in this group who might be interested
> > > > to participate npooling resources.
> > > >
> > > > Ned, I have to agree with you. There must be some way for us to
> > > > legally protect participants without having to line the pockets of lawyers.
> > > > I actually believe that I/we could rsearch the legalities ourselves, perhaps
> > > > with assis
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I like the idea of a LET's style in-kind contribution of skills/
> > > > > capacities, and this is where the p2p network needs to expand to
> > > > > get
> > > > > someone with some legal savvy on board. Andrew Kenyon at
> > > > > University
> > > > > of Melbourne may be one such person (he's also familiar with US
> > > > > legal
> > > > > systems, but if the US is going to be the primary legal code -
> > > > > which
> > > > > makes some sense if p2p is going to register as a legal entity in
> > > > > the
> > > > > US - then perhaps a friendly lawyer in the states is a better
> > > > > move. I
> > > > > can contact Andrew if that's a good idea.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please do, I'd really appreciate it. I will also try to connect with
> > > > folks who I know locally, that have legal knowledge. We may not need to
> > > > incorporate in US, we actually should able to use existing non-profit
> > > > foundation status of P2P foundation, which is incorporated in Netherlands,
> > > > and this would save having to create a whole new organization, since Michel
> > > > already went through the steps of creating p2p foundation as legal entity.
> > > > Maybe we'll just explore trying to employ that existing organization, to
> > > > save time and money (plus maybe Dutch law is more liberal when it comes to
> > > > money pooling and "investing club"-syle arrangements like this?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also: I think an 'identity' and culture needs to be established in
> > > > >
> > > > > order for people to have some kind of affective relation to this
> > > > > network that translates into financial donations, subscriptions
> > > > > etc.
> > > > > At least that's how I feel. Perhaps the p2p foundation provides
> > > > > that
> > > > > identity, and there are some on this list that have strong
> > > > > connections with p2p foundation. but it's hardly universal, at
> > > > > least
> > > > > as far as this network is concerned.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The basic structure that we've employed is that exiting members
> > > > invite new members. So, there is a personal level of connection there. It
> > > > doesn't have to grow very big, very fast in my opinion, and in fact I'd
> > > > rather that it didn't grow extremely fast right away. I'd rather actually
> > > > keep a cap on the max number of people (to around maybe 150 at the most).
> > > > And I'd rather cap off the max amount of donationed money per person, and
> > > > cap off the max amount of requested money per person.
> > > >
> > > > I think one of the dynamics that can help build culture, and trust,
> > > > is the ability of everyone involved to help decide what portions of the
> > > > money and/or pooled resources are applied towards.
> > > >
> > > > One other dynamic that I really, really hope will emerge from
> > > > collective decision making is the dynamic of increasing the indvidual
> > > > carrying capacity of each person involved. By that, I mean increasing the
> > > > ability for people to create "positive externalities" for themselvess and
> > > > others by being involved in deciding where and how money resources are
> > > > applied.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So I wonder if more work needs to be done to build up the network
> > > > > -
> > > > > to see if it has any legs - before all the legal work and
> > > > > financial
> > > > > expenditure is done.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I know that even a small network, 12-20 people would be
> > > > extremely useful and could exist without legal formalities, so long as there
> > > > is mutual trust among members. So, maybe that can be "phase one" of this?
> > > > Maybe we can try to keep it simple, and let complexity of processes emerge
> > > > from our group over time through discussion and based on real needs, and if
> > > > the need for expensive legal work arises, we can address it at the time.
> > > > This has worked well for close to 2 years in the CommunityWikiBank example I
> > > > referred to earlier. I think if we keep things fairly simple, we can create
> > > > a legal agreement amongst ouselves, and work with that while our group is
> > > > small, and try to look for in-kind donation of legal expertise as complexity
> > > > of project rises/need arises.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw a recent example of the legal and funding frameworks being
> > > > > done
> > > > > with an alternative network in Seoul. They had heaps of money and
> > > > > no
> > > > > ideas. In other words, they didn't know how to spend the money.
> > > > > I
> > > > > think there's a danger of going down a similar path with this
> > > > > network.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm... I suppose the danger could exist, but we can also learn from
> > > > what they are doing. I think Michel's idea of investing part of it helps to
> > > > open up avenues for what to do with it. Plus, there are quite a few
> > > > applictions that it could be put towards within the network, for sure. I
> > > > have tons, and TONS of ideas, and I know that I am not alone :-) (Michel
> > > > alone probably has enough ideas to keep us going for 20+ years)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > But maybe I'm seeing this the wrong way - perhaps this
> > > > > network is something that straps on to various existing projects.
> > > > > After the nottingham meeting, though, I'm still unclear what those
> > > > > are and what inter-connections exist.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, your caution is good, your feedback is useful, IMO. I think a
> > > > collective network like this can only really become what the people who make
> > > > up the network turn it into. I have an idea that it would be a collective
> > > > "stepping stone" infrastructure to move projects forward, while also helping
> > > > to aggreagate collective knowledge about projects (conversing about what
> > > > projects should have pooled resources applied to them helps to engage
> > > > collective intelligence and apply it towards projects and applciations).
> > > > Also I have the fantasy that it woill bring people's unused surplus
> > > > resources to the "surface", and I hope to try and enable that. but, maybe
> > > > other things will emerge as well (like the did in CommunityWikiBank
> > > > experiments mentioned earlier)? I really liek Michel's suggestion that we
> > > > invest, and I think the whole process of pooling, and pushing some of the
> > > > pool towards investing in projects that will generate a return is a pattern
> > > > with tremendous possibilities.
> > > >
> > > > I remember your questions about clarifying reltionships from the
> > > > workshop. I think Michel's idea of keeping access
> > > > invitation-by-existing-members-only helps to address the honest connections.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ned, I now that I "know" you a little better, would you like me to
> > > > invite you into the beta-system I've set up (I am still working on it, so
> > > > some functions can easily be improved, and your feedback would be most
> > > > welcome) the software also has "clarification" of user's relationships with
> > > > each other (I have some exampel relationshi designations, but there is room
> > > > for many more). I think it will help the whole system be self-sustaining, by
> > > > keeping it confined to people who actually know and trust each other to a
> > > > certain degree, plus limiting size.
> > > >
> > > > Sam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > best
> > > > > Ned
> > > > >
> > > > > On 24 Nov 2007, at 18:38, Samuel Rose wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > yes, I was thining that one of the first things we can do as a
> > > > > beta
> > > > > > group is to pool money to fund paying a lawyer to draft the
> > > > > needed
> > > > > > legal framework, perhaps. Under the umbrella of p2pfoundation
> > > > > > (perhaps as a non-profit LLC), but making sure we are covered
> > > > > under
> > > > > > the agreements people make when they join. (This legal agreement
> > > > > > could then be a template for future groups who want to adopt our
> > > > > > processes, too).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, we could discuss amongst ourselves, and co-draft our agreed-
> > > > > > upon rules, then put them in front of a lawyer, to make sure
> > > > > they
> > > > > > comply with international law, and to make sure that users agree
> > > > > > ahead of time not to sue or go after one another, and to make
> > > > > the
> > > > > > non-profit LLC the holder of the assetts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 24, 2007 1:19 PM, Paul B. Hartzog <
> > > > > paulbhartzog at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Someone with appropriate legal savvy needs to make sure that the
> > > > > > financial stuff is all taken care of appropriately so that there
> > > > > is no
> > > > > > danger of nasty arguments down the road. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -p
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 24, 2007 1:13 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Good point, Paul. Will give you that access in a couple of
> > > > > > minutes...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eventually, we would also maybe make a seperate paypal
> > > > > account,
> > > > > > that could
> > > > > > > be like donate at p2pfoundation.net , that Michel, plus project
> > > > > > admins, plus
> > > > > > > whomever is working with the money has access to, so that it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > seperate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > beyond that, we could save processing fees by eventually
> > > > > setting
> > > > > > up a bank
> > > > > > > account, and using bank's apparatus/payment gateway, as it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > theoretically be more secure, and have flat fee (or free with
> > > > > > some credit
> > > > > > > union business accounts)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Nov 24, 2007 11:37 AM, Paul B. Hartzog <
> > > > > > paulbhartzog at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Sam
> > > > > > > > Although I can not likely do development in the foreseeable
> > > > > > future, it
> > > > > > > > would be good to have at least one other administrator than
> > > > > > yourself.
> > > > > > > > I am willing to be that backup person.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -p
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 21, 2007 7:08 PM, Samuel Rose < samuel.rose at gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the list, Ned (and Inst. for NC)!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just wanted to let anyone interested know that I am
> > > > > working
> > > > > > on p2p
> > > > > > > resource
> > > > > > > > > pool site right now:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://socialsynergyweb.com/resourcepool/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The basic idea that Michel conveyed to me, and the
> > > > > operating
> > > > > > model is:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) people contribute $/EURO 5 or 10 per month to the
> > > > > common pool
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2) 40% of the money is given back to contributing
> > > > > individuals
> > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > monthly
> > > > > > > > > pool of money
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3) 40% is available for for-benefit activities. People
> > > > > > describe their
> > > > > > > > > activities, and if x number of members say 'ok', the money
> > > > > is
> > > > > > given to
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4) 15% of the pool is invested in some venture that can
> > > > > > generate a
> > > > > > > return
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5) 5% is given to the administration of the project, i.e.
> > > > > the
> > > > > > pool of
> > > > > > > > > contributing organization"
> > > > > > > > > So, I am starting to set up the mechanisms to enable
> > > > > automatic
> > > > > > > recurring/and
> > > > > > > > > one-time acceptance of donations, and community decision
> > > > > > making for the
> > > > > > > > > investing/for-benefit donations.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Proposals could list what the money would be spent for,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > people on
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > site could offer services in place of money, thereby
> > > > > possibly
> > > > > > putting
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > of the needed money back into the donation pool.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Plus, people could list surplus non-money resources
> > > > > > somewhere, or needed
> > > > > > > > > resources. And, people could just discuss what they need,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > what they
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > in general, and what they are doing. (Sometimes people
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > realize
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > they need, or what others have lying around gathering
> > > > > dust,
> > > > > > until they
> > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > talking to each other...)
> > > > > > > > > The site is, and will always be invite-only, and is still
> > > > > in
> > > > > > development
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > this time. As soon as the basic functions are working
> > > > > > correctly, I'll be
> > > > > > > > > sure to invite anyone interested. The URL for the site may
> > > > >
> > > > > > eventually
> > > > > > > > > change. Anyone with Drupal knowledge who wants access now
> > > > > and
> > > > > > can help
> > > > > > > > > develop the site is welcome. Let me know and I'll send you
> > > > > an
> > > > > > invite
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > away.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sam
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 21, 2007 6:45 PM, Ned Rossiter <ned at nedrossiter.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > hi all, great to meet all of you who could make it to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > p2p meeting
> > > > > > > > > > in nottingham. and for those who couldn't make it -
> > > > > > greetings.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
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> >
> > Related Sites/Blogs/Projects:
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> > http://p2pfoundation.net
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> > http://www.cooperationcommons.com
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> > http://bfwatch.barcampbank.org
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> The P2P Foundation researches, documents and promotes peer to peer
> alternatives.
>
> Wiki and Encyclopedia, at http://p2pfoundation.net ; Blog, at
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net; Newsletter, at
> http://integralvisioning.org/index.php?topic=p2p
>
> Basic essay at http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=499; interview at http://poynder.blogspot.com/2006/09/p2p-very-core-of-world-to-come.html
>
> BEST VIDEO ON P2P:
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>
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Social Synergy
Cel: +1-517-974-6451
AIM: Str9960
Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
skype: samuelrose
email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
http://socialsynergyweb.com/services
http://blog.socialsynergyweb.com
Related Sites/Blogs/Projects:
OpenBusinessModels: http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/FrontPage
http://p2pfoundation.net
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
http://www.cooperationcommons.com
http://barcampbank.org
http://bfwatch.barcampbank.org
http://communitywiki.org
http://extinctionlevelevent.com
Information Filtering:
http://socialsynergyweb.com/gregarius/
http://ma.gnolia.com/people/srose/bookmarks
http://del.icio.us/srose
http://twitter.com/SamRose
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