[p2p-research] p2p resource pooling

Sun Nov 25 03:15:20 CET 2007

> Rigth now, I have it set up so that people can plug in any amount they
> want as a "donation".
>

Variable donations create the problem that the people who give more, cannot
get more because the other donations do not create an adequate pool. The
solution is in my opinion to divide up each EUR 5 donation as a separate
virtual person, with equal rights. So each donation gives you right to the
same amount of the pool money as everybody else, but you have x more chances
to get it.

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> So, we could simply send out a reminder once per month, asking people to
> participate. People could then be directed to a "form" where they fill in
> how much they've donated, or whether they want to defer to another month.
>
> Also, there should be a legal agreement that specifies what this
> site/group is explicitly, where the money goes, etc, and new people will
> "agree" before entering.
>
>

ok.

I also think though that the second part for projects should be 'simple' and
not emulate business investments. In my mind, you would state an intention
and delivrable, and only go into more details if it helps to draw in more
people, but not as a 'a priori' requirement. The system would be based on
trust. If the community sees that the money has been well spent, and
intentions carried out, it will continue to 'agree', if not, it won't ...

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> >
> > 4) 15% of the pool is invested in some venture that can generate a
> > > return
> > >
> >
> > to be decided by who?
> >
>
> I was thinking that we could actually start out with a simple
> proposal/discussion/consensus poll among the group. This could be a seperate
> "group" within the site, or a seperate menu item, where we
> propose/discuss/vote on how we collectively want to invest. Eventually, we
> could also set up an adjoining site that lets us open up a "fundcamp" style
> site, where people from the wider world may also solicit us about investing,
> and we can apply some of the processes from Fundcamp (like mentoring,
> multi-dimensional rating, perhaps other process that we develop etc). This
> could be a kind of seed-accelerator/investing "club". But we can keep it
> simple to start out with and just amke a simple process rigth int he
> existing site.
>

yes, let's start it very simple, as a means to get simple modular processes
going,  if we then get 'a lot of support', we can adjust our procedures in
the way you suggest

for that 15%, we could use a simple lottery, and choose say a different set
of 3 to 5 people every year.

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> >
> >  5) 5% is given to the administration of the project, i.e. the pool of
> > > contributing organization"
> > >
> >
> > that would be the p2pfoundation as a legal construct, and the people
> > working on maintaining the project, such as you Sam.
> >
>
> Ok, we may have to formalize it a little more to comply with at least US
> law, if not others, at least beyind our initial beta-test group
>
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> >
> >
> > > So, I am starting to set up the mechanisms to enable automatic
> > > recurring/and one-time acceptance of donations, and community decision
> > > making for the investing/for-benefit donations.
> > >
> > > Proposals could list what the money would be spent for, and people on
> > > this site could offer services in place of money, thereby possibly putting
> > > some of the needed money back into the donation pool.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand this,  you mean offering collaboration on top
> > of the money?
> >
>
>
> I was thinking that for the 40% that is "available for for-benefit
> activities. People describe their activities, and if x number of members say
> 'ok', the money is given to them" that people could have a specific form
> that they fill out on the site that is a "donation request". In it, they
> list how much they need, and what they intend to spend it on, and
> approximate cost breakdown of what they want to spend it on. If some of us
> have the resources they were going to buy, such as server space, time,
> programming knowledge, etc, we may offer it in lieu of money. the donation
> requestor could then decrease that amoutn off of the donation request. This
> is optional, but can add a dimension of donating services instead of money
> 9or "in-kind" types of donations instead of money) The way I describe above
> is a simple way to do it. Does that make sense?
>
>
> >
> > Plus, people could list surplus non-money resources somewhere, or needed
> > > resources. And, people could just discuss what they need, and what they have
> > > in general, and what they are doing. (Sometimes people don't realize what
> > > they need, or what others have lying around gathering dust, until they start
> > > talking to each other...)
> > >
> >
> > ok
> >
> > >
> > > The site is, and will always be invite-only, and is still in
> > > development at this time. As soon as the basic functions are working
> > > correctly, I'll be sure to invite anyone interested. The URL for the site
> > > may eventually change. Anyone with Drupal knowledge who wants access now and
> > > can help develop the site is welcome. Let me know and I'll send you an
> > > invite right away.
> >
> >
> > Let's start with about a dozen people in beta?
> >
>
> This seems like a good idea. We'll keep it at a dozen, until we all agree
> it's ready to expand (plus we'll need to make sure eveything we're doing is
> fully legal in all quaters where people are participating.)
>

ok for the 12

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> >
> > Michel
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
> > > On Nov 21, 2007 6:45 PM, Ned Rossiter <ned at nedrossiter.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > hi all, great to meet all of you who could make it to the p2p
> > > > meeting
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