[p2p-research] p2p resource pooling

Sat Nov 24 19:18:51 CET 2007

Hey Michel, comments follow

On Nov 23, 2007 11:45 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Nov 22, 2007 7:08 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the list, Ned (and Inst. for NC)!
> >
> > Just wanted to let anyone interested know that I am working on p2p
> > resource pool site right now:
> >
> > http://socialsynergyweb.com/resourcepool/
> >
> > The basic idea that Michel conveyed to me, and the operating model is:
> >
> > 1) people contribute $/EURO 5 or 10 per month to the common pool
> >
> > 2) 40% of the money is given back to contributing individuals in a
> > monthly pool of money
> >
> > 3) 40% is available for for-benefit activities. People describe their
> > activities, and if x number of members say 'ok', the money is given to them
> >
>
> any ideas of how this would work. I'm thinking that participants would
> have an obligation to respond to requests by either saying, 1) yes; 2) no 3)
> deferring my contribution to another month. The contributions of those
> saying yes, with a treshold of say EUR 500, would go to the requesting
> project
>

There are several ways that we could do it. We can try the way that you
suggest above, for sure. I am also trying to figure out how to make an
option for a recurring billing of an amount specified by the donator. I
think I am going to hold off on that, though, until we have a basic process
worked out. I like your ideas above, and I'll try to incorporate them into a
very simple process.

Rigth now, I have it set up so that people can plug in any amount they want
as a "donation".

So, we could simply send out a reminder once per month, asking people to
participate. People could then be directed to a "form" where they fill in
how much they've donated, or whether they want to defer to another month.

Also, there should be a legal agreement that specifies what this site/group
is explicitly, where the money goes, etc, and new people will "agree" before
entering.

>
> 4) 15% of the pool is invested in some venture that can generate a return
> >
>
> to be decided by who?
>

I was thinking that we could actually start out with a simple
proposal/discussion/consensus poll among the group. This could be a seperate
"group" within the site, or a seperate menu item, where we
propose/discuss/vote on how we collectively want to invest. Eventually, we
could also set up an adjoining site that lets us open up a "fundcamp" style
site, where people from the wider world may also solicit us about investing,
and we can apply some of the processes from Fundcamp (like mentoring,
multi-dimensional rating, perhaps other process that we develop etc). This
could be a kind of seed-accelerator/investing "club". But we can keep it
simple to start out with and just amke a simple process rigth int he
existing site.

>
>  5) 5% is given to the administration of the project, i.e. the pool of
> > contributing organization"
> >
>
> that would be the p2pfoundation as a legal construct, and the people
> working on maintaining the project, such as you Sam.
>

Ok, we may have to formalize it a little more to comply with at least US
law, if not others, at least beyind our initial beta-test group

>
>
> > So, I am starting to set up the mechanisms to enable automatic
> > recurring/and one-time acceptance of donations, and community decision
> > making for the investing/for-benefit donations.
> >
> > Proposals could list what the money would be spent for, and people on
> > this site could offer services in place of money, thereby possibly putting
> > some of the needed money back into the donation pool.
>
>
> I'm not sure I understand this,  you mean offering collaboration on top of
> the money?
>

I was thinking that for the 40% that is "available for for-benefit
activities. People describe their activities, and if x number of members say
'ok', the money is given to them" that people could have a specific form
that they fill out on the site that is a "donation request". In it, they
list how much they need, and what they intend to spend it on, and
approximate cost breakdown of what they want to spend it on. If some of us
have the resources they were going to buy, such as server space, time,
programming knowledge, etc, we may offer it in lieu of money. the donation
requestor could then decrease that amoutn off of the donation request. This
is optional, but can add a dimension of donating services instead of money
9or "in-kind" types of donations instead of money) The way I describe above
is a simple way to do it. Does that make sense?

>
> Plus, people could list surplus non-money resources somewhere, or needed
> > resources. And, people could just discuss what they need, and what they have
> > in general, and what they are doing. (Sometimes people don't realize what
> > they need, or what others have lying around gathering dust, until they start
> > talking to each other...)
> >
>
> ok
>
> >
> > The site is, and will always be invite-only, and is still in development
> > at this time. As soon as the basic functions are working correctly, I'll be
> > sure to invite anyone interested. The URL for the site may eventually
> > change. Anyone with Drupal knowledge who wants access now and can help
> > develop the site is welcome. Let me know and I'll send you an invite right
> > away.
>
>
> Let's start with about a dozen people in beta?
>

This seems like a good idea. We'll keep it at a dozen, until we all agree
it's ready to expand (plus we'll need to make sure eveything we're doing is
fully legal in all quaters where people are participating.)

>
>
>
> Michel
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2007 6:45 PM, Ned Rossiter <ned at nedrossiter.org> wrote:
> >
> > > hi all, great to meet all of you who could make it to the p2p meeting
> > > in nottingham.  and for those who couldn't make it - greetings.
> > > <http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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http://extinctionlevelevent.com

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