[p2p-research] discussion on Capital and Class issue

[Paul B. Hartzog]

I definitely agree with what has been said by others (George, Sam, etc.)

1) all this interest is a GOOD thing
2) I have submitted an idea to the Capital and Class project that is
different than what we spoke about at the workshop and more in keeping
with their themes

if Theory, Culture, and Society is interested also, then Rick and I
would probably do something more along the lines of Social Publishing,
although, to be honest and up front, we ARE working this material over
the next year into a book project (non-academic).  Any leads for
publishers/editors/etc. would be greatly appreciated (we are thinking
along the lines of a publicly consumed artifact like The Long Tail or
Smart Mobs; smart but easily accessible).

A "P2P World" book (as Andreas suggested) is also feasible.  I see two
crucial concerns in all of this:

1) retention of copyright(left).  I flat out will not publish for a
journal or book project that does not let me retain copyright(left).

2) non-duplication.  I really don't want to publish the same piece
with slight variations in multiple places.  I would rather see clearly
delineated themes in these various enterprises and be able to target
my writing/contribution towards the appropriate theme.

my 2 cents.  other thoughts?

all in all, very glad to be included :-)

much thx,
-p

On Dec 3, 2007 1:04 PM, Phoebe Moore <P.Moore at salford.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Andreas et al
>
> Hmmmmm I guess I wasn't aware that there were other publication ideas
> that were going ahead, also sorry to hear that this wasn't necessarily
> an agreed item, I was under the impression that it was. I have heard
> from nearly all of the speakers with proposals so I am really under the
> assumption that most people are ok with this. Are there any participants
> who would prefer to do it another way?
>
> At the Capital and Class AGM on Saturday, the other editors were very
> sympathetic to this idea and I was given the go-ahead to proceed. Not
> all papers will necessarily be included, of course: it depends on the
> final proposal I assimilate and on the willingness of course, of
> participants, to see Capital and Class as an agreeable forum for
> publication.
>
> Does anyone else have insight or comments to make on this?
>
> Many thanks
> Phoebe
>
> Dr Phoebe Moore
> Lecturer in International Relations
> English, Sociology, Politics and Contemporary History & European Studies
> Research Institute
> University of Salford
> Crescent House, Salford
> Manchester, M54WT
> T: 0161 295 6033
> F: 0161 295 5077
> IR & Politics: http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/politics/irp.php
> ESRI: http://www.esri.salford.ac.uk
> My new book:
> http://www.amazon.com/Globalisation-Labour-Struggle-Asia-Neo-Gramscian/d
> p/1845113780/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-8703029-9815921
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wittel, Andreas [mailto:andreas.wittel at ntu.ac.uk]
> Sent: 01 December 2007 18:07
> To: Moore Phoebe
> Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> Subject: RE: [p2p-research] Capital and Class issue
>
> Hi Phoebe,
>
> I don't think that I received your first email, so this one comes a bit
> as a surprise to me. It seems like your plans of a Capital & Class
> special issue are already well developed.
> I remember you mentioning this possibility at the workshop, but don't
> recall that there was a general agreement to have C&C as first
> publication choice. Also this would somehow collide with my idea to make
> a book with most of the contributions. No publisher would accept a book
> proposal with contributions that are already published somewhere else.
> As aleady indicated in several emails preparing the workshop my first
> publication choice would either be an edited book or a special issue
> with a well recognised journal, and we have aleady an expression of
> interest from TCS, which does have a much broader reach than C&C.
> For this reason I am still keen on a discussion about core issues
> emerging from the workshop (in terms of relevance) and about issues
> where participants had different perspectives, standpoints, and
> arguments. This debate has not really started yet and after paternity
> leave I will sure make some comments on this. For me this debate is
> crucial as it will define which theme(s) should be put at the forefront
> of a publication.
> Hope this makes sense,
> Andreas
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org on behalf of Phoebe Moore
> Sent: Fri 30/11/2007 14:30
> To: Michel Bauwens; Ned Rossiter
> Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> Subject: [p2p-research] Capital and Class issue
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
> After my call for papers for the special edition emerging from our
> workshop on p2p production at Nottingham Trent, I have received 5
> abstracts, three papers, and 2 possible inclusion statements, many
> thanks to all of you. If you haven't submitted one to me, please do so
> and I'll include you. Please include a short bibliography as well.
>
> In the special issue I want to put the question of 'ethical economy/ies'
> at the forefront because I think this discussion brings up a lot of
> important points as well as questions regarding measurement of value,
> and exchange relations 'outside' of capitalism, and so far I have been
> given both proposals that critique, and advocate p2p as an arena for
> these possibilities. The proposals so far represent the discussion that
> is taking place more broadly and Capital and Class will be an excellent
> forum for this discussion.
>
> The AGM for the journal is tomorrow and I've 'warned' them of my
> intention to create this special issue. I'll be in touch with you after
> the meeting with more details of what will be required. At this rate,
> the papers will not need to be very long and I'd probably make a
> deadline for next March or so (just something to bear in mind).
>
> Many thanks
> Phoebe
>
>
> Dr Phoebe Moore
>
> Lecturer in International Relations
>
> English, Sociology, Politics and Contemporary History & European Studies
> Research Institute
>
> University of Salford
>
> Crescent House, Salford
>
> Manchester, M54WT
>
> T: 0161 295 6033
>
> F: 0161 295 5077
>
> IR & Politics: http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/politics/irp.php
> <https://staffwebmail.salford.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www
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>
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> <https://staffwebmail.salford.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www
> .esri.salford.ac.uk>
>
> My new book:
> http://www.amazon.com/Globalisation-Labour-Struggle-Asia-Neo-Gramscian/d
> p/1845113780/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-8703029-9815921
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>
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